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Premium will never hurt, but it is a waste of money if you dont get anything extra out of it.
But, you are getting something extra out of it. Most Top Tier brands add extra detergents to their premium line (I know Chevron put twice as much Techron into Super as they did the regular and mid-grade). Same principle with the Nitro+ additives in the Shell line. So, it's not JUST about the octane rating. Now, does the engine/manufacturer require that? Of course not. But, I'm okay paying for it knowing I'm getting those extra additives AND knowing my ECU isn't going crazy adjusting everything to match which ever grade (octane rating) gasoline I decided to buy that week.

--JamesT
 
That is somewhat trudirect injected engines it makes pretty much no difference. Again, not 1990 with port injection just squirting fuel all over everything all the way from the throttle body, through the intake, through the heads, finally into the cylinder to ignite. Direct injection gives very precise control to the engine ECU for fuel management. This is the main reason premium is not required. When you consider the fuel atomizes and burns instantly after injected.... nothing gets dirty. Some people like to think top tier fuel will help with the carbon build up some manufacturers (looking at you VW) get in their DI engines. That is also false. Carbon is the bi product of burnt ethanol in the fuel. If you can find ethanol free fuel, that is actually beneficial for carbon prevention. But the highest power fuel out there is super high ethanol. E85 is the best performance fuel out there that is readily available. But at 85% ethanol, it can dirty up an engine pretty quick.
 
So I read through 6 pages of comments. So uh is 93 > 91? What's the optimal gas for our vn lol. Is 93 better for insurance? Is 91 optimal?

I found that Wawa's gas station offers 4 types of gas. 87 89 91 93

Also I keep hearing conflict in top tier gas. From it being legit to it being marketing. For example Some employees Swear that they all come from the same places
 
Some employees Swear that they all come from the same places
That is essentially true. There are only so many petroleum refineries in the US (and the world). Some brands have their own; others get supplied by the bigger brands. Crude goes to the refineries, petroleum products exit the other side ( VASTLY over-simplified, but you get the point ). Pipelines distribute out to the hubs where the brands each house their proprietary blend of 11 herbs and spices to be added as the local trucks fill up and deliver to the stations. (The privateer stations pull their supply from the same hubs, but likely no additives.)

To offer an opinion to your first question (which is optimal), I'd say, like most answers: it depends. Short answer: no. Long answer: ...sorta depends on your application. On the track or hooning around? 91-93 is probably a better bet. Daily driving in normal/eco (no hooning)? Any will do. It's when your application changes is likely where you need a consistent octane rating for the ECU adapt to (e.g. daily driving and having an AutoX day coming up: swap to 91/93 well before the AutoX event to establish new trends in the ECU). :shrugs:
 
I NEVER use anything but the top tier fuel which is 93 here. I don't take any chances with a hot turbo. A cleaner engine & less timing pulled is a good thing.

Best regards,

-Mike
 
But, you are getting something extra out of it. Most Top Tier brands add extra detergents to their premium line (I know Chevron put twice as much Techron into Super as they did the regular and mid-grade). Same principle with the Nitro+ additives in the Shell line. So, it's not JUST about the octane rating. Now, does the engine/manufacturer require that? Of course not. But, I'm okay paying for it knowing I'm getting those extra additives AND knowing my ECU isn't going crazy adjusting everything to match which ever grade (octane rating) gasoline I decided to buy that week.

--JamesT
While premium doesn't give you "something extra" it does give you the horsepower/torque that you actually paid for.
While the anti-knock can detect lower octane gas and pull timing, you will lose power and efficiency. Enough to offset the extra cost of premium? Maybe, maybe not. But personally, it's a small price to pay for something to run as advertised.

Regarding 91 vs 93, I'd always put the best available gas in. In my area, none of the stations carries 93. I'm told "it's too expensive" while they charge a $0.40-60 over regular for premium already. I usually choose non-oxygenated Premium when available, and there's a couple of stations that have 92, but aren't close enough to my house to make it worth filling up there unless I'm in the area and need gas. Why burn a gallon of gas to fill up with one octane point higher?

Anyway, when I am traveling and 91 isn't available on my other turbo vehicles, I put the best I can in it. 91, 92, 93 all meet the minimum requirements. I do notice better performance on 93, generally better MPG at the very least.
 
Its a modern car with a computer, it can figure out how to run the ignition on 87. Its not going to damage the car unless the manual say Required. This means not an option. Recommended is just stating that you will need it to achieve the red line performance specs for the car. So which is it in the manual Recommended or Required ?

Here is an excellent video on the subject.
 
Its a modern car with a computer, it can figure out how to run the ignition on 87. It's not going to damage the car unless the manual say Required. This means not an option. Recommended is just stating that you will need it to achieve the red line performance specs for the car. So which is it in the manual Recommended or Required ?

Here is an excellent video on the subject.
Hyundai states for maximum performance (275 hp) 91 octane or greater if you are modifying the car. They did the testing and evaluation, not this bloke. Nuff Said!

I know he's popular and many think he is a authority but he jumps on the non-performance band wagon on a regular basis. He likes to spout off about most of the negative aspects of automobiles, performance modifications, and specifications but does none of the hardline testing himself. The louder he speaks and claims without individual testing, the less I tend to listen. Did you see any first hand testing on his behalf? He loves to hear himself plagiarism information. He pushes all the right buttons for entertainment and to get views and not everything he says, is truthful or factual. Most of the information he utilizes, is gleaned from the is internet, at his behest and not always unbiasedly.

By the way, he's not a performance enthusiast and all you have to do is look at his video titles to know. He's a consumer supporter, who likes to get those views. Why, so he can get paid by Youtube of course. If there wasn't a dollar in it, the videos wouldn't be on Youtube.

Engine knock happens with lower octanes fuels and almost never with higher octane usage. I can tell you directly from first hand information; if you believe that high test fuel doesn't make a difference, then you need to bring yourself and your VN to my altitude. Running 87 or 89 midgrade in the VN at my altitude, will cause knock plain and simple. I've done it, heard it and know it happens. Not occasionally but every time it's utilized. If the car knocks it will damage the engine. If you knowing let knocking occur due to utilizing lower grade fuel, Hyundai won't repair the engine on warranty. It's detectable in both the ECU and the Black Box (EDR) with the Hyundai GDS.

I'll do what Hyundai says for best performance and what I know works. Not what a Youtuber says, who has no direct hands on test data or with anything except his ability to plagiarized off the internet.;)(y)

Besides, this is from an individual in the United Arab Emirates. It's not available to them. So respond with this in mind.
 
Since this is a thread, clearly it's not clear. Heck Honda even puts the recommendation for Premium inside the gas door of the SI. High end performance cars used to say Premium only under the gas gauge and inside the fuel door. No offense, but I wanted to know for certain and not rely on 'some guy on the internet said'. The sport bikes I own have much higher compression and redline in the stratosphere compared to the N and I only run 87 octane unless I'm having ethanol issues (it sucks in bikes) and trying to clean it up. Then again they aren't turbo. So I called Hyundai, I got transferred around and no one could give me a straight answer. They forwarded to their engineering department and I'm waiting to hear back. Motor Trend reported that it runs on 87. The EPA lists it has regular for type of fuel (they list what the manufacturers tell them). Motor Trend says Hyundai told them it was designed to run on 87 (heresay I'll admit). The underwriter at the store I bought it told me that it will run fine on 87 but he recommends that it run on 91+ (which I am doing by the way) as it will perform to its peak that way. Hyundai would have a hard time voiding a warranty considering all of this.

What Hyundai and the service underwriter both told me was that they strongly encourage you to only use Top Tier fuel. Top Tier fuel is NOT like saying top shelf alcohol (as in the good stuff), it's a brand name. If you don't see the logo below on the pump or in the store, buy somewhere else.

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You can't compare a sport bike to a turbo 4cyl. A car is meant to run on what it was tuned for. 91 being the general guideline because cars normally comply with California standards. With that said, the cpu will compensate for lower octane by reducing timing; or raise timing to a degree if the fuel allows.
I run only 93 in my N.
 
ve read as well as some words from Albert Bierman in interview stated regular 97 can be "safely" used but does so at a "redu
ht it told me that it will run fine on 87 but he recommends that it run on 91+ (w
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How many other Hyundai models on the lot require 91 octane? I don't the answer but I'm guessing it's a low number (possibly even 0?) I hope my dealership put 91 octane in before I took delivery of it but something tells me chances are low, especially with a relatively new model that may have requirements dealerships are not accustomed to yet.
I'm having the same issue with my dealer right now. I'm picking up a 2021 VN tomm and I asked him what fuel did he load it up with he said regular and than switched it up saying 87... i told him i'm not taking it until u find out.. Did u find out what fuel the car came with? and how is it running now any issues?
 
2019 Hyundai Veloster N Fuel Economy Rated at 25 mpg Combined

"it runs on good, old-fashioned 87-octane"

Even motortrend specifically reports regular 87 is ok.

Everything I have read as well as some words from Albert Bierman in interview stated regular 97 can be "safely" used but does so at a "reduced performance."

My dealer even made a point to specifically say I could run 87 if I wanted.

Again all that being said I only run 94 in mine.
"If you want"; but if you want maximum performance and efficiency, I strongly recommend at least 91 octane for this high revving, and high compression ratio engine, especially if you've got the performance package,
 
I dont get why anyone would buy this car and put 87 in it. This car runs so much better with higher octanes and was made for this kind of treatment. I see people spending thousands of dollars on upgrades and than going and putting 87 in it! WFT?!? I buy this really expensive octane boost from Amazon that my performance shop told me about and the car runs so much better when I have the boost in the fuel, I don't care what anyone says I can literally feel the difference.
 
Engine timing is pulled and the car will not produce max power with 87 octane.

It’s a monetary thing, owners believe there saving a vast amount of money by doing so. In reality, it’s only a few bucks per tank full.👍🇺🇸
 
I dont get why anyone would buy this car and put 87 in it. This car runs so much better with higher octanes and was made for this kind of treatment. I see people spending thousands of dollars on upgrades and than going and putting 87 in it! WFT?!? I buy this really expensive octane boost from Amazon that my performance shop told me about and the car runs so much better when I have the boost in the fuel, I don't care what anyone says I can literally feel the difference.
I agree with you totally, I only fill up at SHELL and use VPOWER. If i'm in pinch money wise i'll go with Costco 91 octane.. not sure if its as good as shell but it's top tier.
 
I picked up my car couple weeks ago, And so many others have already stated, I asked the dealership what gas to use and they said 87. After reading this, when it come time to fill up, I will be using 91 +. The car seems to be running fine though on 87 but I will definitely go with the higher octane when the time comes to refuel.
 
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