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كيف هو الحل .. أريد استبدال المبرد البيئي .. إنه أفضل CFS أو Forge أو AIRTEC أو Wagner
تم تصميمها جميعا كواجهة أمامية. يستخدم Bisimoto مدخل ومنافذ بحجم OEM ، ولا يمكن استخدامه مع أنابيب جانبية أكبر أو باردة.

لا يحتوي على ستارة مدخل لإجبار الهواء من خلال FMIC. يسمح لهواء الضغط السلبي بالهروب فوق وحول الجانبين. وبالتالي تقليل فعاليته بشكل عام مقارنة ب ؛ FORGE MOTORSPORT أو فاغنر التي لديها ستائر السحب.
 

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نعم ، لدي علبة تروس عادية .. لكنني سمعت أن علبة التروس الأوتوماتيكية أفضل وأكثر قوة. هل هذا صحيح
The DCT automatic has the same power as the manual but the DCT is faster because it's shifts faster than a person can. The DCT slso has an NGS over boost button so it does have more power from the turbo but only 20 seconds at a time.

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All of the They’re all designed as front facing. The Bisimoto uses OEM size inlet and outlets, it can’t be used with either larger boost or cold side pipes.

It has no inlet curtain to force air thru the FMIC. It allows negative pressure air to escape over and around the sides. Thus decreasing its effectiveness overall compared to the; FORGE MOTORSPORT or Wagner that do have the intake curtains.




The Bisimoto FMIC has no fitting adapter for the air sensor either. This means, the bumper has to be drill, also an air sensor mount fabricated. The FORGE MOTORSPORT and Wagner have the fitting for the air sensor in the air curtain.👍🇺🇸
You might want to do more research. The Bisimoto does have a mount for the air sensor and the front is designed with rounded bars and recessed fins so the air is forced through the front unlike all the other which just have flat bars and flush fins which makes a flat face and creates turbulence and not as smooth air flow as the Bisimoto.
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نعم ، لدي علبة تروس عادية .. لكنني سمعت أن علبة التروس الأوتوماتيكية أفضل وأكثر قوة. هل هذا صحيح
ليس الأمر كذلك ، فإن ناقل الحركة اليدوي بعد 40 ألف ميل لديه 4.8 0-60. لا، القابض المزدوج التلقائي ليس أسرع.

في الواقع ، لا ينتج القابض المزدوج الأوتوماتيكي نفس القوة الحصانية مثل العجلات ، لأنه كان لديه المزيد من فقدان الاحتكاك في العجلات وهو أثقل.
 

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You might want to do more research. The Bisimoto does have a mount for the air sensor and the front is designed with rounded bars and recessed fins so the air is forced through the front unlike all the other which just have flat bars and flush fins which makes a flat face and creates turbulence and not as smooth air flow as the Bisimoto.
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Your welcome to your opinion but without the air curtain, negative pressure is simply pushed aside and over the top. There is nothing to stop the negative pressure air and guide it thru the FMIC.

The bracket is not shown in the Bisimoto stock photos, my mistake and apology.

However, it doesn’t change the fact, all have basically the same design, with a full frontal design. Something you informed him that others didn’t have. This is misleading at very least.

So I’m going to suggest, you do your research as well, instead of claiming something that’s not simply not been proven.

Why not let him decide for himself, instead of attempting to influence his purchase in a manner, which is full of misinformation. This is exactly why I posted all three. There is also the SXTH Element.


The proof is in the actually cooling capacity of all five available FMIC’s. Bisimoto doesn’t post anything to support it’s claims. With its smaller OEM inlet and outlet, it’s physically impossible for it to produce the same CFM or cooling capacity as the; FORGE MOTORSPORT, AirTec or Wagner FMIC’s, especially with the addition of larger boost and cold side pipes. Something Bisimoto can’t provide, due to the OEM inlet and outlet.

Show the forum where is your proof the Bisimoto is a better FMIC, than the other four others available?

Lastly, there’s no problem with the warranty using an aftermarket FMIC. So in essence, Bisimoto is publicly promoting and fostering dishonest/ fraud between owners and dealer services. Such practices from an aftermarket dealer, are questionable and dubious at the very least.👍🇺🇸
 

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ليس الأمر كذلك ، فإن ناقل الحركة اليدوي بعد 40 ألف ميل لديه 4.8 0-60. لا، القابض المزدوج التلقائي ليس أسرع.

في الواقع ، لا ينتج القابض المزدوج الأوتوماتيكي نفس القوة الحصانية مثل العجلات ، لأنه كان لديه المزيد من فقدان الاحتكاك في العجلات وهو أثقل.
Actually yes the DCT is faster than the manual, It does 0-60 in 4.8 as proven by Car & Driver magazine, in fact it was the fastest front wheel drive car they've ever tested, even faster than the Civic Type R which has 306 HP but is a manual, and you don't have to wait until it has 40k miles, what ever that means. Plus the DCT has launch control and over boost. Try racing a DCT from a dig in a manual and see who wins I guarantee its not you no matter how hard you try to burn up your clutch.


It's OK if you prefer the driving experience of a manual, many do, but don't even try to pretend it's as quick as DCT.
 

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Your welcome to your opinion but without the air curtain, negative pressure is simply pushed aside and over the top. There is nothing to stop the negative pressure air and guide it thru the FMIC.

The bracket is not shown in the Bisimoto stock photos, my mistake and apology.

However, it doesn’t change the fact, all have basically the same design, with a full frontal design. Something you informed him that others didn’t have. This is misleading at very least.

So I’m going to suggest, you do your research as well, instead of claiming something that’s not simply not been proven.

Why not let him decide for himself, instead of attempting to influence his purchase in a manner, which is full of misinformation. This is exactly why I posted all three. There is also the SXTH Element.


The proof is in the actually cooling capacity of all five available FMIC’s. Bisimoto doesn’t post anything to support it’s claims. With its smaller OEM inlet and outlet, it’s physically impossible for it to produce the same CFM or cooling capacity as the; FORGE MOTORSPORT, AirTec or Wagner FMIC’s, especially with the addition of larger boost and cold side pipes. Something Bisimoto can’t provide, due to the OEM inlet and outlet.

Show the forum where is your proof the Bisimoto is a better FMIC, than the other four others available?

Lastly, there’s no problem with the warranty using an aftermarket FMIC. So in essence, Bisimoto is publicly promoting and fostering dishonest/ fraud between owners and dealer services. Such practices from an aftermarket dealer, are questionable and dubious at the very least.👍🇺🇸
Sorry to tell that it is you who is spreading the misinformation so much so that it would be hard to correct it all in one post.

It's pretty obvious you have know clue that Bisimoto is just a car customizer, the intercooler is made by CSF which specializes in cooling and has been in the business for well over 50 years, more than Forge, Wagner and SXTH combined. They are an industry leader in cooling systems because that's all they do is cooling.

The CSF doesn't need the side skirts because of the round bar recessed fin face which is diffrent than any other FMIC made by anyone else. Its and industry exclusive You can say they're all the same but they simply are not. The Bisimoto FMIC is a CSF N54/N55 modified to fit the VN. Here's some info on it:

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Here's a close up of the CSF and the Forge, the diffrence is pretty obvious, and it's easy to see which will flow better.
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You try getting warranty work done on your engine with anything aftermarket anywhere in your intake tract and see what Hyundai says, guarantee you they will make you either remove the parts or simply deny your claim all together, I know people its happened to. I know theres a supposed Hyundai memo floating around claiming what parts are ok for the warranty but try using that at the dealership and they'll day they know nothing about it.

Obviously the guy is going to make his own decision I'm just letting him know that the CSF is not only the best designed, but the lowest priced, and easiest to install, and I have no bias and don't advertise for anyone in my sig.

You want proof that the CSF FMIC is the best option then do the research. I've already spent enough of my time educating you today. Since I'm a nice guy here's some links to get you started.


 

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I like the Bisimoto design, just wish they made it with a larger inlet and outlet to fit aftermarket boost pipes. Other than that it is a good unit.

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Sorry to tell that it is you who is spreading the misinformation so much so that it would be hard to correct it all in one post.

It's pretty obvious you have know clue that Bisimoto is just a car customizer, the intercooler is made by CSF which specializes in cooling and has been in the business for well over 50 years, more than Forge, Wagner and SXTH combined. They are an industry leader in cooling systems because that's all they do is cooling.

The CSF doesn't need the side skirts because of the round bar recessed fin face which is diffrent than any other FMIC made by anyone else. Its and industry exclusive you can say they're all the same but they simply are not. The Bisimoto FMIC is a CSF N54/N55 modified to fit the VN. Here's some info on it:

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Here's a close up of the CSF and the Forge, the diffrence is pretty obvious, and it's easy to see which will flow better.
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You try getting warranty work done on your engine with anything aftermarket anywhere in your intake tract and see what Hyundai says, guarantee you they will make you either remove the parts or simply deny your claim all together, I know people its happened to. I know theres a supposed Hyundai memo floating around claiming what parts are ok for the warranty but try using that at the dealership and they'll day they know nothing about it.

Obviously the guy is going to make his own decision I'm just letting him know that the CSF is not only the best designed, but the lowest priced, and easiest to install, and I have no bias and don't advertise for anyone in my sig.

You want proof that the CSF FMIC is the best option then do the research. I've already spent enough of my time educating you today. Since I'm a nice guy here's some links to get you started.


Whatever you think but it doesn’t make it so, because you insist it is.

Do you own and run a Bisimoto FMIC on your VN? Have you accomplished and compiled any comparative, performance data, from all 5 FMICS?

On warranty work; I already have and the dealership service had good things to say about the unit. Nothing negative or derogatory. No refusal of warranty claims either. Tell us of similar first hand experience that you’ve had with an aftermarket FMIC?

Dishonest/fraudulent claims with a dealer service, are something the owner has to internalize and deal with, in conscience and action. If a persons conscience permits them to deal dishonestly/fraudulently, then there’s a problem with the individuals moralistic values. A business which promotes such fraudulent activity is, by all accounts as bad or in some cases worse then the individual perpetrating the fraud.

Posting a manufacturers marketing, doesn’t tell anyone anything about its comparative performance, except what CSF wants you to know about their product. Go and do the diligence with the other manufacturers. Your limiting your own scope of knowledge and understanding.

CSF’s marketing is not proof, nor is it relative except to themselves. In reality, it’s to sell you on their product. Where’s CSF’s proof of its cooling capability, over and above the other four available. Show us the applicable performance data, supporting what you’ve claimed and are still claiming.

Show us where it’s the best manufactured FMIC for the VN, not based upon marketing conjecture but factual proof. You or CFS saying say so, isn't proof. In truth, it’s mere speculation and conjecture on both your parts.

I’m sponsored by FORGE MOTORSPORT; because I have excellent working knowledge and skills, which also give me the qualifications and understanding to fairly assess the quality, then promote their products. I also help in they’re R&D, for this particular format. Obviously, this seems to be an personal point of contention for you, for whatever personal reason.

What we’re waiting on some definitive, factual, proof and comparative performance data, between CSF and the other FMIC’s.

I see you can read, then cut and paste. However, so can 99% of the members here. This isn't teaching or educating.

If you don’t have the data or don’t want to do the research to provide comparative proof, then just say so. We can then agree, it’s your personal opinion based upon CSF’s marketing and conjecture.

We have time and are still waiting patiently. You have every opportunity to do so.👍🇺🇸
 

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Guys,

Sometimes we have to agree to disagree. Monitoring this forum, I have come to the conclusion we all need to have much more patience. Some people are not as experienced as others on here. Teach them, but in a nice way. We can't take for granted people are all the same with intelligence. They are NOT.... Please have more empathy with each other. That's all I ask. And we all need to give people the benefit of the doubt before we start having animosity. The world is quite the $hitty place to begin with, we should use this forum as a getaway from that $hitty place. It's crazy how we have more in common with each other, but choose to focus on our differences or differences of opinions.

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Anyone here knows if the airtec big boost pipe kit will fit on the dct? I already installed airtec fmic on my veloster and was wondering if i can pair it with the boost kit? If not, whats the difference from the manual?
 

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I like the Bisimoto design, just wish they made it with a larger inlet and outlet to fit aftermarket boost pipes. Other than that it is a good unit.

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On a stock tuned VN there is no need for a bigger inlet or outlet. I would rather the air pool in the intercooler where it's constantly being cooled than pool in the boost pipe where it's constantly being heated by the engine. If your going big turbo and or getting a bigger TB then it might make a difference.
 
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