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I've been lurking for a while and finally decided to make an account. I currently own an Alfa Romeo Giulia. It's tuned and has aftermarket exhaust and cold-air intake installed. It's a great car and I do like it, but after buying it for a while, I'm just a little bored that it's not manual. Then I test drove the Veloster N. It really is a blast to drive and puts a smile on my face. I previously owned a Scion FR-S, but it was definitely not as fun. My only issue right now is that the Veloster N has a far inferior interior compared to my Giulia. I am pretty upset that the VN in the US has no standard heated seats/steering wheel and that the interior overall is many steps down.
I was able to talk out a deal for 30k out the door with a dealer here at SoCal. What do you guys think? Is it worth trading my current luxury car (the Giulia) in for a blue PP VN?
 

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I don't know about trading it in. I would try to sell it outright, you see more equity for sure. If it's financed, they will attempt to give you payoff or less. IMHO no, I wouldn't trade for the VN.

What year Alpha? How many miles on the odometer? What trim?

The interior is what it is until, Hyundai releases the N-Accessories in 2020.
 

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I don't know about trading it in. I would try to sell it outright, you see more equity for sure. If it's financed, they will attempt to give you payoff or less. IMHO no, I wouldn't trade for the VN.

What year Alpha? How many miles on the odometer? What trim?

The interior is what it is until, Hyundai releases the N-Accessories in 2020.
2018 with about 16800 miles, Ti Sport. I was offered 30k out the door for the VN.. hmm
 

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Having had vehicles with nicer quality materials, I really don’t mind the VN’s. Could it have more soft touch? Sure, but I think it is styled quite nicely and screwed together well. Do I miss heated steering and seats? Probably, but then again I’ve also done without on plenty other cars too. I tend to like it being simple, with a manual parking brake woo boo. It’s always hard giving up what you’ve become accustomed to, but for me, I’m having too much fun just driving the car, and that’s why I got it.
 

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Having had vehicles with nicer quality materials, I really don’t mind the VN’s. Could it have more soft touch? Sure, but I think it is styled quite nicely and screwed together well. Do I miss heated steering and seats? Probably, but then again I’ve also done without on plenty other cars too. I tend to like it being simple, with a manual parking brake woo boo. It’s always hard giving up what you’ve become accustomed to, but for me, I’m having too much fun just driving the car, and that’s why I got it.
Is it now your daily driver? I've honestly been looking at the Civic Si due to the MUCH nicer interior and even safety features..
 

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Is it now your daily driver? I've honestly been looking at the Civic Si due to the MUCH nicer interior and even safety features..
Here are my thoughts on safety stuff, My wife CX-5 is in the body shop and she got a Mazda 6 with ALL the safety stuff you could want (lane keep, adaptive cruise, blind spot, autobrake) and I hate it. It feels like i am always fighting the car for control. In my N I can zoom around people and it has no complaints about it, I try to do that in the Mazda and it fights me every step of the way. It is almost more dangerous in my opinion because trying to pass and the **** thing almost stomps the breaks and jerks the wheel and all kinds of warnings start going off. I know i can probably turn the stuff and if it was my daily car I would have it off all the time.

The N is a true drivers car and I am not just trying to convince myself of that, had a 3.8 Gen coupe ultimate that had the 8 speed auto and I regretted it every time i drove that it was not standard. Shifting with paddles hunting for the power band on on ramps or passing was just a pain in the ass. In the N i keep it in 6th on the freeway and its at 2k rpm with a usable torque band to high 5k and I dont have to shift. If i really need to go a quick downshift to 5th and I have everything I need. I can hit 80+ on on ramps in 3rd. The power is so usable and the standard is so much nicer because of that control of the power.

Good luck in your decision.
 

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The OP sounds like he values aesthetics and interior over everything else. I'd say pass on the VN. You want a manual shift luxury car. Get a BMW
 

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Having had vehicles with nicer quality materials, I really don’t mind the VN’s. Could it have more soft touch? Sure, but I think it is styled quite nicely and screwed together well. Do I miss heated steering and seats? Probably, but then again I’ve also done without on plenty other cars too. I tend to like it being simple, with a manual parking brake woo boo. It’s always hard giving up what you’ve become accustomed to, but for me, I’m having too much fun just driving the car, and that’s why I got it.
Yes. It is my daily driver. I know others that got rid of current gen civics due to interior quality, so to each their own I guess. Like others have said, if the comfort, convenience, safety is of utmost importance, this may not be the vehicle for you. I’d recommend something like a Mazda 3 (moving upscale with all bells/whistles features), but for me the lack of daily fun factor of the Mazda steered me away (nevermind questionable hatchback c pillar...). The 2.5 Mazda gives adequate power/good torque, over 30mpg on regular gas fuel efficiency - but the delivery is all economy car focused. Combined with tall gearing, slow 1-2 synchro (read easy to grind if rushed), terminal understeer, no LSD (with the torque of the 2.5 it is a factor)... it’s just not level of performance performance I’d be looking for. If there was a Mazdaspeed 3 again, now there’s something to talk about. If ford brought the new Euro only Focus ST, again, there would be more to compare to. Perhaps you want to consider a GTI? No doubt a nicer interior, nearly as quick, but I found the HVAC dials to be unbelievable cheap feeling.
 

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2018 with about 16800 miles, Ti Sport. I was offered 30k out the door for the VN.. hmm
Keep what you have, the Alpha is a far better car and you will lose money in the trade. 30K out the door is not a great savings on the VN/PP. If you are still set on the VN, then I'd first look to sell the Alpha outright and not trade.

Do you own the car outright or is it financed? If you are financed with little equity, you will ultimately lose money on a trade and possibly, have to come out of your pocket to pay off the Alpha. Hyundai is not generous with their trade offers. Trade in value for your Alpha is; $26,690 tops. You won't get this from the Hyundai Dealership.
Is it now your daily driver? I've honestly been looking at the Civic Si due to the MUCH nicer interior and even safety features..
Are you purposefully trying to step down to something far less expensive, due to payments and below that of the Hyundai VN? I say this as, a Honda Civic Si is a cheap car and with the blowby problems in most of the 2019 and 2020 Honda's engine, I'd give them a wide berth. Honda does not warranty the cars as they should. Honda and Acura, do not deal on their cars, " the price is the price." You'll be hard pressed, to get them to show you their invoice prices.

My brother-in-law worked for Honda Marysville, OH as a production floor supervisor and is now retired. Hondas makes their automobiles as cheaply as they possibly can. There is nothing special about a Honda.
 

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well i had a 15 veloster rspec with the leather interior, i have never liked leather interior it makes my butt sweat and that is irritating so i was really liking the interior of my N . different colors would be nice but i still like it just the way it is. Perks are nice but they usually pump the price up so plain is good for me.
 

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Keep what you have, the Alpha is a far better car and you will lose money in the trade. 30K out the door is not a great savings on the VN/PP. If you are still set on the VN, then I'd first look to sell the Alpha outright and not trade.

Do you own the car outright or is it financed? If you are financed with little equity, you will ultimately lose money on a trade and possibly, have to come out of your pocket to pay off the Alpha. Hyundai is not generous with their trade offers. Trade in value for your Alpha is; $26,690 tops. You won't get this from the Hyundai Dealership.Are you purposefully trying to step down to something far less expensive, due to payments and below that of the Hyundai VN? I say this as, a Honda Civic Si is a cheap car and with the blowby problems in most of the 2019 and 2020 Honda's engine, I'd give them a wide berth. Honda does not warranty the cars as they should. Honda and Acura, do not deal on their cars, " the price is the price." You'll be hard pressed, to get them to show you their invoice prices.

My brother-in-law worked for Honda Marysville, OH as a production floor supervisor and is now retired. Hondas makes their automobiles as cheaply as they possibly can. There is nothing special about a Honda.
What's a good OTD price then? I'm in CA so I thought it was decent.. I am trying to step down a bit and have more fun with a stick, but you're right, it will ultimately be a downgrade (but definitely upgrade in fun!) I was offered 27.5k for a trade-in, but I can definitely try to negotiate more.
 

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The OP sounds like he values aesthetics and interior over everything else. I'd say pass on the VN. You want a manual shift luxury car. Get a BMW
I did look at used BMWs but I think I'd prefer reliability..? Android Auto is a must and that's not available to BMWs and only certain models can be retrofit with it.
 

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What's a good OTD price then? I'm in CA so I thought it was decent.. I am trying to step down a bit and have more fun with a stick, but you're right, it will ultimately be a downgrade (but definitely upgrade in fun!) I was offered 27.5k for a trade-in, but I can definitely try to negotiate more.
At this point, it's solely your decision. If you feel this is a good price and you have some equity in the Alpha, then you have a personal decision to make.:smile:
 

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Chiming in with my quick feedback, as someone who has had the car for less than one month and already 1600 miles.

YES, it is fine as a daily driver!

I routinely switch to Normal mode when I get in my suburban neighborhood, and when pull into the parking garage at work. Otherwise, I'm always on N custom mode.

This capability helps to make it a very flexible car.

And as far as I'm concerned it is comfortable, easy, and always fun to drive.

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I realize we all have our own desires and needs as far as cars go. There's nothing wrong with that and what your opinion on what is important in your car is the ultimate decider.


For me, the quality of the materials of something that I'm never going to actually touch while driving the car (dash panels, door panels, all the "cheap" materials that are being used to keep the price point low) don't matter at all to me in buying a car. What matters to me are driving dynamics, having the functions I want (Android Auto), and overall reliability.


If the materials in the car turn you off, it's not the car for you.
 

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To me you might be the perfect VW Golf R or GTI customer. Great fun manuals with very nice interiors. They are actually very reliable. If you prefer a sedan you could also go with their GLI.
 

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Thanks for all the input guys. I am actually going to go forward with the purchase. I was able to convince my father to keep the Giulia. He will be taking over the loan and will be giving me his 2008 Lexus RX400 to trade in. I can't wait!
 

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Hi guys,

I've been lurking for a while and finally decided to make an account. I currently own an Alfa Romeo Giulia. It's tuned and has aftermarket exhaust and cold-air intake installed. It's a great car and I do like it, but after buying it for a while, I'm just a little bored that it's not manual. Then I test drove the Veloster N. It really is a blast to drive and puts a smile on my face. I previously owned a Scion FR-S, but it was definitely not as fun. My only issue right now is that the Veloster N has a far inferior interior compared to my Giulia. I am pretty upset that the VN in the US has no standard heated seats/steering wheel and that the interior overall is many steps down.
I was able to talk out a deal for 30k out the door with a dealer here at SoCal. What do you guys think? Is it worth trading my current luxury car (the Giulia) in for a blue PP VN?
Wow. I also have a 2018 giulia fully loaded. Previously owned a fiesta st and frs. Love the interior/sunroof and handling... But it's so boring to drive: it's heavy, it has soft cushy springs. It has no sound, no immediacy and I miss my manual. I'm about a year into a 2 year lease but I'm already thinking of doing swaplease. The only thing holding me back is that maybe there will be a more torquey FRS next year. I suspect I'll be disappointed.

If I ever pull the trigger on the N I'll let you know.
 
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