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Do we know if the N's warranty will be voided for track days/HPDE/whatever you wanna call non-racing-but-still-on-track-driving-programs. I'm aboot a month out from my first day on the track with my bone-stock N w/ PP and wanna know if anyone has looked into warranty exclusions.
 

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I can't remember seeing anything official but my understanding was that the track warranty did not extend to the states, perhaps due to our powertrain warranty being 10 years instead of the 5 the I30N gets.
 

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To minimize been spotted/photographed, put blue tape across your number plates.
Register with a different type of car so they can't look up your name and car.
Buy a 2nd set of track wheels. Put the originals back on for daily driving and visiting the dealer for service.
Change the brake pads/rotors yourself when they need it so the dealer does not know how fast you went through brakes.

All that said, it would not surprise me if they record data in the ECU and can tell you have tracked it.

Mine is a daily and I AX an ND Miata. I am so tempted to take the N to the track though :smile:
 

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That is BIG News to find it in actual print! Thank you for the update...good to know we can take our car to a track day and maintain warranty. Safe place to go fast........
 

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That is BIG News to find it in actual print! Thank you for the update...good to know we can take our car to a track day and maintain warranty. Safe place to go fast........
Its a huge step forward for Hyundai and their customers. Showing confidence in their work and gaining our trust. Amazing things are in store for the future of N. :grin:
 

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Complete 180 from what they originally told their service managers. Keep a copy and show it to them directly!!

All that said, it would not surprise me if they record data in the ECU and can tell you have tracked it.
They do have a flash counter in the ECU!
 

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Is Hyundai saying CAI are ok? I thought that the MAF sensor had to be calibrated. Is the VN a MAP system? What am I missing here?
 

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There is no maps sensor on the Veloster N 2.0T Theta II engine. Even with a map sensor, there is no recalibrating for the ECU it will adapt with the parameters it's been programmed with.

Examples of modifications that do not void the engine warranty, unless they cause damage to the vehicle:
· Cold air intake
· Custom straight exhaust pipe
· Oversized intercooler
· Crankcase ventilation oil catch can
· Oversized throttle body
· Oxygen Sensor Adaptors
 

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Next is called, "Personal Integrity!"
Are you saying that people who modify their own vehicles lack integrity? Because that's nonsense.

I would agree that it's unethical to hide modifications in an attempt to deceive Hyundai technicians, but we all have to right to modify our cars however we want, and there's nothing wrong with that.

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Yes I am, there is a problem with Personal Integrity; if you modify the engine against what the manufacture allows. Have a powertrain issue report it, due to the modifications. Then remove all traces of modifications that contributed to it.

Deception is defined as; a purposeful lie (fraud). Unethical is defined as immoral, dishonest, etc. Integrity is the direct opposite a quality of being honest. If you first attempt to deceive (lie, defraud), then there is an issue with personal integrity, honesty! I don't care how you want to word or define it. It's all the same.

Tell your dealer what you are planning to do first. If they tell you it's not authorized and go against their requirements, then there is a personal integrity issue. If you don't take personal and financial responsibility for the modifications and they cause a warranty related problem then; you're being deceitful, lying, defrauding and unethical. This is simply defined as; a lack of personal integrity

The owner can modify it all they want or like. However, if the owner lies to the service department about the unauthorized modifications and attempts to get the engine repaired under warranty, it's definately an personal integrity issue.
 

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The owner can modify it all they want or like. However, if the owner lies to the service department about the unauthorized modifications and attempts to get the engine repaired under warranty, it's definately an personal integrity issue.
Then we agree, except, what is an "unauthorized modification?" What modifications require "authorization?"
 

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https://www.velostern.com/forum/10-engine-technical-discussion/387-track-usage-modification.html#post3053

From Hyundai Assurance.

FAQs
Q. If I drive my Veloster-N on the track will it void my warranty?
A. The Veloster-N was designed for high performance at home or on the track. The warranty covers
components originally manufactured or installed by Hyundai that are defective in material or factory
workmanship, under normal use and maintenance, regardless if your Veloster-N has been driven on the track
or autocross.

Q. If I modify my Veloster-N will it void my warranty?
A. Performance modifications that alter the engine control and change the air to fuel ratio, ignition timing or
increase maximum boost pressure risk damage to the engine, transmissions and other components. Any
damage caused by such modifications are not warrantable.

Q. Can I use aftermarket parts on my Veloster-N?
A. If the aftermarket part was itself defective or wasn't installed correctly, or modifies the performance as
noted above, and it causes damage to another part that is covered under the warranty, Hyundai has the right
to deny coverage for that part and charge you for any repairs.

Dealer Best Practice
Follow the standard diagnosis and warranty guidelines, regardless if the Veloster-N has been driven on the
track or autocross. Since the Veloster-N was designed for high performance at home or on the track, track
utilization alone does not void the warranty. However, here are some examples of modifications to help
determine warranty coverage:

Examples of modifications that can damage the engine, and which damage would not be warrantable:
· Aftermarket boost relief valve (blow-off) or any other modification to the RCV that defeats the factory
vacuum chamber and solenoid (part of the over-boost failsafe system)
· Aftermarket software programming – ECM (uncertified ROM update that alters the engine control as
described below)
· Any aftermarket modules that splice into the engine harness to change the air/fuel ratio, ignition
timing, or increases maximum boost pressure
· High performance turbocharger
· Additional power adders such as nitrous oxide system (usually removed before warranty inquiry – refer
witness marks of solenoid/bottle mount bracketry and injection holes in the intake system)

Examples of modifications that do not void the engine warranty, unless they cause damage to the vehicle:
· Cold air intake
· Custom straight exhaust pipe
· Oversized intercooler
· Crankcase ventilation oil catch can
· Oversized throttle body
· Oxygen Sensor Adaptors
 

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Hypocritical or what?

Yes I am, there is a problem with Personal Integrity; if you modify the engine against what the manufacture allows. Have a powertrain issue report it, due to the modifications. Then remove all traces of modifications that contributed to it.

Deception is defined as; a purposeful lie (fraud). Unethical is defined as immoral, dishonest, etc. Integrity is the direct opposite a quality of being honest. If you first attempt to deceive (lie, defraud), then there is an issue with personal integrity, honesty! I don't care how you want to word or define it. It's all the same.

Tell your dealer what you are planning to do first. If they tell you it's not authorized and go against their requirements, then there is a personal integrity issue. If you don't take personal and financial responsibility for the modifications and they cause a warranty related problem then; you're being deceitful, lying, defrauding and unethical. This is simply defined as; a lack of personal integrity

The owner can modify it all they want or like. However, if the owner lies to the service department about the unauthorized modifications and attempts to get the engine repaired under warranty, it's definately an personal integrity issue.


Is this not the same guy recommending piggy back tuners as they can be removed and remain undetected by dealership?
Guess PERSONAL INTEGRITY only goes so far.
 
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