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Figure we have an autocross thread and those guys have done some great work talk about the setup of this car. While the setup between track and autocross can be pretty similar, they can also be pretty different.

Right now and until the offseason I'll be running everything stock, but I'll start doing some basic modifications to get a little more grip and still meet SCCA DS rules as I plan on doing HPDE/autox all next year.

Ran at Cresson Motorsport Ranch last weekend, I found good pressures 36/38 cold. Found 34psi cold on the fronts to allow too much roll, 36psi seems pretty good for the fronts and 38 in the rear provides nice rotation -- although next time I might try 39 or 40psi rear. The manual recommended 38/38, but I found that to be understeer heavy.

I also ran 5w40 all weekend, didn't burn a drop and the car ran great. Ran the track in N mode, a little rough but no worse than other cars I've owned or driven.

This car could really benefit from a lighter and better tire setup and stiffer rear bar, but those will wait.

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Morning of:


Lining up at the grid:


View from the clubhouse:


Here's a crappy video (seriously, if you get motion sickness easily DO NOT WATCH):

I already bought a new mount.

I've got an autocross event coming up in November and another HPDE as well, so here's to some more fun and maybe even being competitive!
 

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Good stuff. I am keeping the car mostly stock as well for now.

I have a rear sway bar on the way. Hopefully it will arrive before the next event.

About tire pressures, Road and Track was testing the Veloster N for their Performance Car of the Year. I asked what pressures they were running at the track and they said

Hyundai recommends 27 at the front at 28 at the rear, though we ran 27 at all four corners to make it a bit less lively on entry
For the suspension mode, only track I have driven the Veloster at is Dominion and it was relatively bumpy. I kept on hitting my helmet on the grab handle. I am thinking about removing the driver side one. It's not as bad in normal suspension mode.
 

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Good stuff. I am keeping the car mostly stock as well for now.

I have a rear sway bar on the way. Hopefully it will arrive before the next event.

About tire pressures, Road and Track was testing the Veloster N for their Performance Car of the Year. I asked what pressures they were running at the track and they said



For the suspension mode, only track I have driven the Veloster at is Dominion and it was relatively bumpy. I kept on hitting my helmet on the grab handle. I am thinking about removing the driver side one. It's not as bad in normal suspension mode.
Interesting. I had quite a bit of sidewall rollover even at 34psi.

 

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Figure we have an autocross thread and those guys have done some great work talk about the setup of this car. While the setup between track and autocross can be pretty similar, they can also be pretty different.

Right now and until the offseason I'll be running everything stock, but I'll start doing some basic modifications to get a little more grip and still meet SCCA DS rules as I plan on doing HPDE/autox all next year.

Ran at Cresson Motorsport Ranch last weekend, I found good pressures 36/38 cold. Found 34psi cold on the fronts to allow too much roll, 36psi seems pretty good for the fronts and 38 in the rear provides nice rotation -- although next time I might try 39 or 40psi rear. The manual recommended 38/38, but I found that to be understeer heavy.

I also ran 5w40 all weekend, didn't burn a drop and the car ran great. Ran the track in N mode, a little rough but no worse than other cars I've owned or driven.

This car could really benefit from a lighter and better tire setup and stiffer rear bar, but those will wait.

The track:


Morning of:


Lining up at the grid:


View from the clubhouse:


Here's a crappy video (seriously, if you get motion sickness easily DO NOT WATCH):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPgN8PvIEWQ

I already bought a new mount.

I've got an autocross event coming up in November and another HPDE as well, so here's to some more fun and maybe even being competitive!
Dang I'm just about 6 hours from Cresson! And I'm envious that you have a membership too drive there. Would love to drive my VN on a track like that. But those fee's. Holy Cow! But a darn good business model though. Giving me some ideas up here in Arkansas.
 

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Interesting. I had quite a bit of sidewall rollover even at 34psi.

With factory camber, it's normal. It will happen. I had this problem on my mustang too. I installed camber plates and it helped a lot.
 

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Dang I'm just about 6 hours from Cresson! And I'm envious that you have a membership too drive there. Would love to drive my VN on a track like that. But those fee's. Holy Cow! But a darn good business model though. Giving me some ideas up here in Arkansas.
Not a member there, would love to be but there are just too many tracks around here and I want to run them all! I ran with these guys: https://www.thedriversedge.net/

I'll be running with them again in November at Eagles Canyon Raceway, come out!

With factory camber, it's normal. It will happen. I had this problem on my mustang too. I installed camber plates and it helped a lot.
Yeah, I've got some camber bolts that I might try before the next time I go out. I was really trying to save any modifications for the offseason so I could familiarize myself with the chassis first, but I might just do these so I can run some lower pressures.
 

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Yeah, I've got some camber bolts that I might try before the next time I go out. I was really trying to save any modifications for the offseason so I could familiarize myself with the chassis first, but I might just do these so I can run some lower pressures.
Do it now. I have them and even with -1.9 front camber and Hankook RS4 tires there is still too much rollover. It will make your tires last longer.
BTW, they are not legal in DS class because they are not a factory part.
 

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Do it now. I have them and even with -1.9 front camber and Hankook RS4 tires there is still too much rollover. It will make your tires last longer.
BTW, they are not legal in DS class because they are not a factory part.
Might just do them this weekend. I'll be trying to be competitive with a local club that mostly follows SCCA rules, so I should be fine with these. While I will do SCCA stuff, I have no intention of being competitive with them.

Picked up a set of Enkei TS10's in 18x8 et50 with some 245/40Falken Azenis RT615K+, trying to balance price and performance on these and I think I did alright.
 

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What bolts did u get Curves? I was only able to get -1.2. I am running at Barber MSP first weekend in November. I am on 19x8.5 50 offset 235/35 tire and have very little clearance as is.
Definitely feels much more aggressive initial turn In but more stable mid corner.


Yeah, I've got some camber bolts that I might try before the next time I go out. I was really trying to save any modifications for the offseason so I could familiarize myself with the chassis first, but I might just do these so I can run some lower pressures.
Do it now. I have them and even with -1.9 front camber and Hankook RS4 tires there is still too much rollover. It will make your tires last longer.
BTW, they are not legal in DS class because they are not a factory part.
 

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Very nice to see some owners in my area. I currently attend TCU out of Fort Worth and I've been eyeing the track at Cresson for some HPDE. I'll probably make it out there this spring to get some track days in.
 

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I got the Whiteline ones.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0070I80KM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Still needs more camber. I can't what for Camber Plates to come out...
I picked these up: https://www.genracer.com/spc-camber-bolts-14mm-for-2019-hyundai-veloster-n/

We'll see if I really get 1.75, I'll probably install these sometime in November.

Very nice to see some owners in my area. I currently attend TCU out of Fort Worth and I've been eyeing the track at Cresson for some HPDE. I'll probably make it out there this spring to get some track days in.
Nice! Highly recommend The Drivers Edge guys, super great group and they run a really good program.

Put the new wheels and tires on this weekend:


Even though it's not a significant weight loss, you can definitely feel the lack of rotational mass when braking and initial turn in. The Falken tires are also really nice once they warm up, I didn't get a whole lot of time in twisties with them but from what I got to experience they're going to be a nice balance of performance and value, I hope to get 10-15 fun weekends out of them. Which is more than I would have got with the RE71's.

Also finished installing the shifter base and transmission mount bushings this weekend, definitely a very nice improvement in the feel and engagement of the shifter. Totally worth the cost of the boomba bushings.

I'll be doing the SXTh element catch can next weekend, wanted to do it this weekend but for the life of me, I couldn't find where to mount it or the instructions for it. Guess what I found when putting all the tools away? The paperwork that had the link for instructions.

Also removed the sound generator and disconnected the front speaker this weekend. We'll see how I like the sound system without the front speaker, but I'm hoping that it gets rid of the awful phasing issues I hear in the system.
 

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Another event in the books!

TL;DR: Did an HPDE on the 23 and 24 -- Harriet performed flawlessly, the new tire/wheel setup is great, the car needs moar camber.

Another event down and this one was a lot of fun! It was on a completely new track with fresh asphalt and a lot of great drivers. Eagles Canyon Raceway was a fun track before but it was starting to show it's age and recently acquired by new owners. The new owners ripped out the existing track, kept some of the original layout and has added several new additions that will eventually lead to a track with 9 possible configurations. We did the 2.7mi layout CCW this weekend but drove parade laps CW, either direction is a lot of fun but I feel CW will be a little more technical.

Due to the green track and the fact that out of 80 drivers six had previously been on the track this HPDE group made this an "advanced" weekend, no green or unknown drivers and the focus was on learning and adapting quickly instead of getting the fastest lap time. Even my instructor had not been on the new sections so it was a lot of fun to figure out lines through the new bits with him -- he even ended up using one of my lines through turns 6, 7, & 8 by the end of the weekend.

We were also cautious because there hadn't been that many events on the track and what little rubber was down was washed away by heavy rains the two days leading up to the event. Which also made all that new construction mud, which was heavily clay based, a whole lot of fun to go off into. Consequently, if you went off they asked you to stay off and would flat bed you off track. This made the first few sessions rough as they were figuring things out, so they would black flag the track until they towed the vehicle off. By the end of the day, if you were off and in safe spot, they left you until the end of the session.

Because of all of this I was being more cautious than usual, I spent the weekend trying to focus on making my inputs more precise ("credit card" movements) and also working on setting the car up when having to do abrupt directional changes.

The Falkens performed great and the new wheel setup really improved the feel of the car during braking and turn-in. I will say that once the falkens get really hot they get a little greasy but are completely manageable. The car really needs more camber, especially up front, and I will be adding camber bolts and increasing camber all around before the next event. At this point, I'm saying screw trying to remain in street class for autox and modding for the track -- next up is FMIC, rear sway, and some aero. I'll be keeping an eye out for FMICs, SXTH being a front runner and front splitters.

This track really lent itself to sectional cadences and I had a lot of fun with it, super easy to get into the flow and I look forward to going back out there to really put down some laps.

The track:


View from one of the lookouts:


6:15am Saturday morning:


Couple of hours later:


Lots of cool cars there:


Next morning:


Cool kids shot:


Shot some video with the new camera and mount, it didn't turn out great but it is definitely better than last time. I think the tint on the front windshield and the location of the camera is messing with the video, I might try over my left shoulder next time or another mount from the mirror.

 

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RMM, RSB, rear sway endlinks, camber bolts, stainless lines, caster/antidive bushings on, and brake fluid swapped. Got a more aggressive alignment done and the car is feeling much better. A lot more stable under braking, tons more bite at turn in, and it feels like a lot more grip midcorner and exit. Will find out more Feb 8th.

Reached out to G-loc, we can get any of their compounds made for our car. I'll be ordering the R10s for the front and R8s for the rear, I've got maybe 1 or 2 more events left on the current OEM pads.

Gonna make the mod goals this year for the mid-summer and winter break to be adding water/meth, a tune, and FMIC.
 

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JK on making it to the summer before doing WMI. Just ordered the Snow Performance Stage 1 kit, the BMS WMI adapter, and an OEM washer reservoir. Gonna start working on finding a good place to relocate the sxth OCC, once I have that figured out I will install the WMI kit.
 

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The combo of all the recent mods made this car an absolute blast at the first event. Much more grip at entry and mid-corner, especially under heavy braking.

 

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Good driving. I commented on the video yesterday. I forget to post in this forum. I can't wait for the Track Season to started in the DC/VA area. I uploaded all my sessions from Virginia International Raceway (November 2019) to my channel. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-You0FRyPvMqImZ_QgPRfGovAkn6uKMW

This season I will have stainless steel lines and fluid done for sure. Waiting for camber plates. I might get some Super Pro bushing kits to help increase caster and reduce extra movements. I might also do PowerFlex engine mount bushing too. A lot of small things to dial in the car. I am pretty happy with it so far. Biggest concern is the lack of camber and chewing of the sidewalls on the tires. At VIR, I had soft brakes too, but that should be resolved.
 
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MSR Houston HPDE (The Drivers Edge) March 14-15 2020
2.47 miles / 17 turns
65-75 deg F

2020 VN w/PP

completely stock except for:

Front camber bolts from Whiteline
24 MM Rear Sway bar from Whiteline (on the softest setting)

Alignment:

Front -1.8 deg camber / 0 deg toe

Rear -1.8 deg camber / .05 deg toe

Stock Pirelli 235 35 R19

Front @ 36 PSI cold - was at 42 PSI hot
Rear @ 35 PSI cold - was at 40 PSI hot

These pressures were perfect for the conditions and gave me zero noticeable sidewall collapse.

All settings were in sport+ with the exception of the suspension and traction control which I had in sport. The car bounced and chirped too much on sport+ and just felt unsettled. Perhaps a smoother track would have been fine with it. Yeah, I know I'm a chicken for not having traction control off, but it still had temp tags on it and I needed to get to work Monday morning.

The car felt amazing, with no noticeable torque, under, or oversteer ... just extremely well planted to the extent the tires could handle. Either all 4 were sliding sideways, or none were .. I did not "test" lift-off oversteer. We did get a bit of rain, which did allow the rear to slip out fractionally, but never felt out of control or scary in any way.

I'm not the fastest driver in the world but was turning 2:10's in the dry and 2:12's in the wet.

Brakes were great and zero brake fade, despite punishing them to the best of my ability. Stock Dot 4 fluid.

Super fun and I can't wait to do it again.
 

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