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Hey all, I'm new here. Was looking to get a type R, it's a great car. Saw the veloster N and was able to drive it twice actually. It's a fantastic little car, no one can argue that.

Here's my quick comparison vs type R. The way I saw it, the N only has two advantages:
-Veloster N sounds way better
-Veloster N customizability for drive settings is better

and...that's where the advantages end. Type R has many advantages including
-Type R has more room, and is more practical with 4 doors
-Type R is faster and handles better
-Interior is way better compare to the black hard plastic interior of veloster N
-shifter on veloster N is good, but type R is just the best
-more comfortable as a daily driver

So it's pretty clear that type R is the overall better car. I'm able to get a brand new veloster N with PP for $28000 out the door. 2019 Type R will cost me about 38000 out the door, and a 2020 is costing me 41,000 out the door. There is a $13,000 price difference vs 2020 type R and $10000 for 2019 type R. So it appears the veloster N is 13,000 less...but that's not the full story.

Depreciation on hyundai is HUGE, I decided to go to dealers to get trade in prices. For a 2019 veloster N with 15,000 miles I got a trade in value of $19000-2000 depending on a dealer I went to. For a 2019 Type R with 15,000 miles I'm getting a $32-34,000 trade in! That means over a year I lose about $10000 on veloster N vs just $5000 on the type R. This here is a big difference and you end up ahead financially getting the type R.

So now price cannot be a reason to get the Veloster N. What reason is there left to get the veloster N over the type R assuming you like the looks of both equally? If the type R didn't exist, veloster would be the way to go. If the depreciation wasn't that steep I'd still take the veloster N. But at this point I don't see how the veloster N can survive.
 

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If the next gen ctr’s look doesn’t disagree with me as strongly as the current version I will consider it for longer than I did this go around. (Then again I hope Hyundai shoots for a $40k price on some sort of RM20 variant). Also, the vn was surprisingly more fun to me right off the bat. (A lot of that could have just been the sounds it made.) Plus Ive owned nothing but Honda’s over the last 15 years, the N just surprised me how much I enjoyed driving it.
 

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The type r is a better car in many ways, i dont see a reason to get the N unless 1 you don't want to spend 10k more, and 2 the sound of the type r is god awful. Both of which are reasons i picked the N.
 

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Not everyone who owns a VN has a Type R complex. I bought my VN and not Type R because I wanted to, not because I couldn’t afford it or it made better financial sense. As we all know, cars are emotional buy not an investment. There is no need to justify your purchase. I’m sure Type R is a wonderful top of the line civic. For me, it is a fast civic with an ugly wing (only wing that looks good is Porsche GT cars, IMHO). I just prefer top of the line veloster.
 

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I love the styling of the VN; the CTR styling is just way over-the-top for me. And, I contend that a VN PP would hang with and match a CTR through twisties like Tail Of The Dragon. CTRs can own the straights, I find more enjoyment in the corners.

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People don't buy the VN because of depreciation values. Most buy it for the performance and it is the best bang for the buck under 30K. Stock for stock the VN is faster down the quarter mile until the very end when racing a CTR. The Veloster N smokes it at take off. So that tells me with a better intake and a better flowing exhaust a stock CTR would not catch the N at all. Oh, and I still save over 7 to 8K. Right there alone the N wins!!!

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People don't buy the VN because of depreciation values. Most buy it for the performance and it is the best bang for the buck under 30K. Stock for stock the VN is faster down the quarter mile until the very end when racing a CTR. The Veloster N smokes it at take off. So that tells me with a better intake and a better flowing exhaust a stock CTR would not catch the N at all. Oh, and I still save over 7 to 8K. Right there alone the N wins!!!

-Mike

VN is not faster than type R during a take off or quarter mile stock to stock.
 

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It makes a huge difference when you trade it in. If you trade it in early in the finance period you take a huge hit because most value is lost in the first year. After that, cars lose value at a slower rate. If you're not a total moron and keep the car for a few years, eventually the loss of value will be more similar between the 2 cars.

Also the OP assumes there is no dealer mark-up with the CTR. I got my VN for MSRP. I have never seen a CTR for MSRP at a real dealership.

Also there's the question of quality. This ain't the 90s. Honda quality has gone downhill quickly since the mid-00s recession. Hyundai was one of the big winners and now make better quality cars without the over-pricing. Hondas just aren't special or particularly reliable anymore.
 

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Hondas warranty is garbage and they tend to cover nothing, so you are basically on your own when you drive off the lot. The price is the price, your trade in argument doesn't mean anything to me because I keep vehicles at least 3-4 years and by that point the Honda will be in the toilet as well. If I was willing to go to $41k for a car I would just suck it up and spend the extra and get into a better vehicle(1M,STI,mustang, camaro, used vette,etc).

The veloster N gives you a lot for a little and is in the price range of most cars the average person would buy, plus you have a 10 year warranty, and lots of cool features to go with the performance. I think maintenence cost will be less on the VN over the type R as well.
 

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VN is not faster than type R during a take off or quarter mile stock to stock.
Stock for stock the VN is faster on take off. Go watch video... Also, re-read my post... If you love a Type R so much then go buy one and don't hang on a VN board. Plain and simple....

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Here, I'm gonna just say it. A Honda Type R is an over priced POS and will have valvetrain problems by 100,000 miles if it makes it that far. Depreciation really doesn't matter if this is the end result. Sad but so true!!!

Br,

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I don’t think the civic is a pos but this is just an odd question from someone with no intention of owning a hyundai. Why buy anything other than a type r? The N is just a little more special than the type r in their current forms. Driving fun and ownership enjoyment is more important to me than depreciation. If you can’t afford the depreciation you should go with the civic, it’s a fine choice.
 

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I'm just looking for reasons to buy the veloster N and save money to be honest, but hard to argue against type R.
 

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It makes a huge difference when you trade it in. If you trade it in early in the finance period you take a huge hit because most value is lost in the first year. After that, cars lose value at a slower rate. If you're not a total moron and keep the car for a few years, eventually the loss of value will be more similar between the 2 cars.

Also the OP assumes there is no dealer mark-up with the CTR. I got my VN for MSRP. I have never seen a CTR for MSRP at a real dealership.

Also there's the question of quality. This ain't the 90s. Honda quality has gone downhill quickly since the mid-00s recession. Hyundai was one of the big winners and now make better quality cars without the over-pricing. Hondas just aren't special or particularly reliable anymore.

Great response finally. I will keep the car at least 4 years. The value loss is still greater on hyundais vs hondas, just fact. Look at 3 year old type Rs, it's crazy that they are selling at near new prices.

You can get type Rs under MSRP depending on location, I have a 2019 here in michigan with a dealer willing to sell for 34k (3k under sticker). For 2020 they are doing just sticker.
 

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in my area a used type r usually nears 43k and a new one is usually msrp so i don't know what magic these cars have that increase their value lmao
anyways, really seems like you want the type r man. go for it, it really is a great car. the n is a good car in its own way but you don't seem to want to take the risk of depreciation, which i agree is horrendous on these cars. i plan on best case scenario, keeping this car forever so that didn't bother me. if you have the money and this is a short term ownership, id go for the type r too honestly. you lose less money realistically. the only reason to go with the N is if you're passionate for it, as you've clearly seen we all are around here.
 
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