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Yep, it better be a wet clutch unit and far more robust than why is presently offer by Hyundai.
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Yep, it better be a wet clutch unit and far more robust than why is presently offer by Hyundai.
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I kind of have mixed feelings...not that it makes any difference whatsoever. I kind of like owning a car that is only available in stick. When I see other people that are driving the car, I immediately know that they are supporting a (arguably dying) art & cause that I am still fervently in love with.
On the other hand, I get that selling a manual-only car in 2019 is likely very difficult, even one aimed at the manual transmission-driving enthusiast base. Further, if this is going to be a solid ground-up design of a very performance-oriented DCT, if paired with one of those forthcoming Theta III engines, this might be Hyundai's attempt to dethrone everything well-above this car's price class and a DCT as such would certainly benefit objective performance statistics.
So I am kind of like meh. I guess if it helps ensure the N succeed, the more the merrier! (as long as Hyundai continues offering a third pedal with this car and doesn't make it a DCT-only in the future...which would be really sad.)
On the other hand, I get that selling a manual-only car in 2019 is likely very difficult, even one aimed at the manual transmission-driving enthusiast base. Further, if this is going to be a solid ground-up design of a very performance-oriented DCT, if paired with one of those forthcoming Theta III engines, this might be Hyundai's attempt to dethrone everything well-above this car's price class and a DCT as such would certainly benefit objective performance statistics.
So I am kind of like meh. I guess if it helps ensure the N succeed, the more the merrier! (as long as Hyundai continues offering a third pedal with this car and doesn't make it a DCT-only in the future...which would be really sad.)
I think of it this way, if they make an auto/dct option that's kind of better. It means more people will buy the car and aftermarket support will grow like crazy. Look at GTI's you see modded autos and manuals. It opens the door for aftermarket manufacturers to actually justify creating new parts knowing the market for that car is considerably larger now that it has an auto option for those who can't or choose not to drive stick.
To sum it up. More people buy the car and want mods more companies make mods. More options to choose from for both manual and auto drivers.
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nobody wants to drive a manual in traffic as a daily driver. I'm stoked for this 8-speed DCT. I don't see a shame in any of what Hyundai's doing, it's actually smart. Of course they need the $Dough$ while also staying relevant with the market & not limiting to a "manual crowd" only.
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Really, you know this how? Nobody huh, must be able to read everyone's minds. LMAO!
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There's no suffering in traffic at all. Clutch is light, precise and robust.
DCT in most Hyundai's, simply aren't robust enough to handle the extra horsepower of the N. They are a dry clutch setup and don't take well too limping along in heavy traffic at snails paces. There have been numerous reports of over heating in such traffic, which sends them into limp modes. They don't work the same as a regular transmission. You've got to give them a bit of gas and keep your foot off the brake. The same when reversing. You've got to put a load on the clutches for them to engage properly, which is all controlled by the TCU/ECU.
Personally, I believe they'll go over like a wet fart. IMHO
DCT in most Hyundai's, simply aren't robust enough to handle the extra horsepower of the N. They are a dry clutch setup and don't take well too limping along in heavy traffic at snails paces. There have been numerous reports of over heating in such traffic, which sends them into limp modes. They don't work the same as a regular transmission. You've got to give them a bit of gas and keep your foot off the brake. The same when reversing. You've got to put a load on the clutches for them to engage properly, which is all controlled by the TCU/ECU.
Personally, I believe they'll go over like a wet fart. IMHO
Idk if I'm unique but I love having a manual as my daily. Sure sometimes it can be a slight burden during heavy traffic but I've always just loved rowing through my own gears on a daily basis. No animosity for those that prefer an Automatic and I'm indifferent in Hyundai adding a DCT option. Obviously it makes sense for the company as the car will definitely appeal to a larger audience which'll increase sales. Can't imagine any sub $50k car that offers a manual only would sell enough to justify building the car itself!
I resent that. Just kidding, I understand the idea but I'd rather deal with the manual in traffic than not have it on the back roads. You will never be able to get the level of control a manual provides from a dct purely because you can't modulate the clutch.
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I think that's looking at wrong. The N doesn't need to sell like crazy, it just needs to get the presses attention, which it has. Then people are more likely to notice the other Veloster offerings. For the average driver they already have a decent HP that can be had in DCT and it comes with all the creature comforts as well. The N means they will sell a ton more Velosters. I know R spec are even hard to find in my area and I attribute that to the N.
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Hope your condescension made tickled your humor. It's preferred by most not wanting to drive a manual in traffic when you drive 35k miles a year in LA. Simple as that, has nothing to do with reading minds or laughing your ass off.
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Do you own a DCT to claim they do what you say they do. I own 2 Hyundai DCT's with no limp mode, no snail pace in traffic, no nada.
I do own a 2011 JCW with a manual, & like I said, Idk who likes to "row gears" in traffic. It's Cool outta traffic & yeah, fun manual ride, but I believe you are stuck on this whole MANUAL only biz, when you have more of an opinion than facts when it comes to the DCT other than the dry clutch. DCT's are getting better for Hyundai, have some faith like you said hoping for a wet clutch. It's better for the N community, not the MANUAL community lol
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Maybe, maybe not, but there is a whole lineup of future N vehicles that won't have a manual. They need as much $$$ as possible I believe for future development as well as maintaining current N customers. I do hope the manual stays in future N's.
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Who says, you! How could you possibly know this of speak for others? Condescending, those are your thoughts and remarks alone. You take offense where there is none or you're attempting to escalate the discussion into and argument. You couldn't possibly answer for me or anyone else and you'd be wrong at least 50% of the time. Totally unsubstantiated or provable on your part. That's the reality, of the your comments.
Do you actually know what a ECU limp mode is and it's purpose?
So what I've owned a JCW mini also, what's this got to do with the Hyundai DCT or the Veloster N?
Yes, I've actually owned Hyundai, with DCT's and standard transmissions.
First off, the current DCT clutches aren't able to handle 271 hp. Even Albert Biermann from the N division knows this. This is why they have completely redesigned the DCT for the Veloster N base model. It won't be available for the N PP model. It will carry over to the Kona N and i30N as well.
Of course all you need to do is read, Owners don't know how to properly utilize a DCT transmission so they over heat the clutches and it sends the car into limp mode until they cool off. They believe it operates just like a standard automatic transmission, when in fact it doesn't. I can't help your personal ignorance, it's certainly not mine. Please, attempt to stay in the now and out of something which, only exists in your own imagination.
Faith in materialism?? LMAO I have no faith (trust) in any material thing. It's engineered and designed to eventually fail. Just like the 1.7 million 1.6 Gamma and 2.0 Theta I defective engines, Hyundai hide from the NHTSA and IIHS in the US during the production years of 2016/17.
:wink:Dude, you don't even own and Veloster N. Maybe you ought to sell the 2017 Veloster Turbo and the 2011 JCW and actually buy one. Especially, before spouting off about something you have virtually no personal experience with. LMAO:grin: The 2017 Veloster Turbo and the N are completely different automobiles. Nothing crosses over from one to the other!
Quite a few have responded here already, they prefer a manual over any DCT myself included. It's your problem, you aren't able to handle or operate a manual in traffic.
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What you believe and what is reality are two different things.
There are two N models in the works for the US, no more or less. Tucson N and the Kona N for the US and the Elantra N GT doesn't count. It's a 1.6T Gamma II engine, the same used in the Veloster R-Spec and Turbo now. Also the i20N for Europe and Australia exclusively, will use the same 1.6T Gamma II engine which is also used in the current Veloster and Kona. They won't share the 2.0T Theta II 250 hp motor.
The Veloster N and i30N will always be offer with a manual.
This is Albert Biermann's swan song. He's retiring in a few years, as he's already mentioned when he moved from BMW. Hyundai will only allocate enough money to complete the current N projects.
Hyundai's, bailiwick is selling economy class vehicles and always had been. When Biermann retires, so will future plans for N range.
Hyundai Motor Company Namyang Product Development Research Center has been in existence since 1995. Ulsan proving ground, which opened in 1984 in Korea. It features a high-speed circuit and 19 different road types. The Hwaseong proving ground, which was completed in 1993, features a high-speed circuit and 16 different road types. It deals primarily with all Hyundai Research and Development of concept and future production automobiles. It's not a racing division but allot of Veloster and i30 N owners, think so. It's a testing facility for all future and production Hyundais. Hyundai will allocate just enough of their budget for research and development to produce new cars and not necessarily the N-line specifically.
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