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Totally agree, Tom. I like the raw performance and the looks of the simplified race car interior. But that's just me. Once Hyundai starts putting all these other things into the car it becomes something it's not, then the price starts to go up. This car gives me the right amount of performance with the right amount of goodies. Not saying that new DTC isn't sweet. My wife want it! lol...
 

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True, but isn’t that what Hyundai has been doing well for years now? Innovation costs money, and car prices rise as a result. Hyundai seems happy allowing other manufacturers to come up with the new stuff then utilize it themselves a couple years later at a lower price point. And I’m happy to purchase at the lower price. Plus, with Albert heading up the N stuff I’m not surprised to see BMW touches.
 

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I enjoy driving the VN more than the M4. It may be because the M4 was DCT. The VN feels like a less powerful M2. The VN feels more like an M car than BMW M cars. I was hoping Hyundai would not make a DCT VN. To me, having manual only makes VN special. Imagine having an automatic E39 M5.
 

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I agree. Wish they would have kept it manual but unfortunately they need to satisfy people who cannot drive a stick. Sad but true...
 
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For me, the bigger issue of the DCT as an "option" is that the dealers are only going to order that configuration, and then try to push them off onto the people that would have rather had a manual transmission. And Hyundai dealers in the US suck at ordering anything. Their sole concern is getting what they can on their lot, and then moving that inventory. Several dealers already unlocked "Legendary *******" achievements when the N first came out with allocation claims and forcing credit applications before a test drive (and they don't want to hear about cash buyers or having your own line of credit established). It's like the EVO 8 US launch all over again, but this time you'll see it with only the automatic on dealership lots. But I got mine, so whatever. If I only had the option of a first year DCT N, I'd probably just go to a Supra and skip the hatchback thing.
 

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I think genuine, grand touring cars make sense with automatics as an option. Then of course most of the sedans like the S Class would seem rather odd with a 7-speed manual. But at least the new Cadillac Blackwing cars are supposed to get manual transmissions as options, so that's a good thing. The US is the market that really pushed automatics to begin with, but it's also the market that got BMW and Porsche to bring manuals back for a couple models. What a world. ;-)
 

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I guess I'm a rarity. I learned how to drive stick at the ripe age of 14 in my dad's e36 M3. I've driven manual cars for 15 years. I'm going to order a 2021 VN when they release the DCT version of the car. If it were some sort of **** box cvt I'd understand how sacrilegious of an act that would be, but it's not. It's a dual clutch transmission. The car becomes easier to daily, slightly quicker, improves mpg, and features NGS with over-boost. We live in a world of performance SUVs and Teslas. If a DCT transmissions allows Hyundai to widen the availability of their performance hot hatches, why act like it's a bad thing? Everybody wins.
 
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