Base Veloster N exhaust trouble in California
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I was crying watching this thinking of my own issues in Utah back in 2001-2004 on this. 96 DSM, decently modified. Back then sub 12 second cars were unicorns except on screen at the fast and furious. To help, I deleted everything in my exhaust and dumped the 02 housing to the ground, ran about 30PSI boost and C16 race fuel tuned with DSM link, still on the stock engine mind you. I was pulled for excessive exhaust. Fought it, showed the exhaust which was a 3" in dual 2.5 magnaflow universal muffler with pipes I had built, showed the tail pipe reading decrease from factory to modified (as we still had to sniff tail pipes back then). After speaking with a judge at length, he wanted to hear it since back then, fart cans on Hondas were the rage and this is what he was thinking. He followed me to the parking garage and had me get on it, even bouncing it off the rev limiter a few times. At the end, he dismissed saying he did not believe it was a 4 cylinder and that it was not loud. Bear in mind, I disabled my antilag, and still had boost set at 30PSI so the wastegate would not open, as the O2 dump sounds like a dam jet engine at power. But no matter I did sitting still it was tamed persay.
I was pulled many times over the coming years but kept my paperwork copied in the car to show cops. 99% of the time they let me go, knowing I would fight it and just waste their time. But one cop blew me away with what he seen and knew. After showing him the paperwork he walked back there, leaned down and said.... well I can see you did your research, but you need to get it to a shop, you are running WAY LEAN. Your exhaust is white. I act dumb (not hard to do just ask my girlfriend) ask to get out to see, and pretend like Im freaking out and that I will get it to the shop ASAP, and even said "smell the exhaust it smells funny" which he agreed. I drove off laughing as C16 is a 117+ octane race fuel. IE has lead, which is the white not black residue in the exhaust, and the smell. I think it smells sweet if that makes sense, race gas has a different smell when being burned. But I ran it exclusively for 4 years in the car, that the exhaust was dirty white....
Now for boostdn's issue. California. Pretty much any warning, or stupid caution you see (with the exception the famous mcdonalds hot coffee lawsuit) is caused by California, and they are so proud of it, they place their state name in it trying to shoehorn themselves into infamous state status. CARB (California Air Research Board), prop65 warning (known to the state of California) that we always see. Heck they even regulate cow farts, ban straws, and limit 2nd amendment rights. But they also try to give out so much free stuff... heck its even free to live there, look at all the people on the street! And before I catch flack, I use to be homeless as a child due to my worthless, POS mother. I pray to god to never see her again. So I have an understanding what it is like to be homeless from my 2 year adventure it in when I was 8-10.
To see this video, I can COMPLETELY see it happening. Taking stickers off wont help, modding the car REALLY wont help, raise your subs/ patreon/ ad hit up your sponsers (which FYI removing the stickers was a slap in the face to them) and just pay the fine(s), as you are going to get many. I would have fought harder on the first charge since the ticket was written, "exhaust modified to increase sound". Which it was not modified at all and you had proof, you pretty much painted a target on your back, and every cop will be looking for you as an easy payday. Whatever you do, just do NOT pay the fine in pennies. Sacramento REALLY does not like that. But great job on the thin blue line flag, that may help here or there with certain officers.
That being said, many coworkers have asked me similar questions about my N, a few of the engineers I work with have dubbed it "Veloster N.... the new VW exhaust scandal" Which depending on how you read it to it.... maybe? But I wish all my fellow California based brothers and sisters out there luck.
I was pulled many times over the coming years but kept my paperwork copied in the car to show cops. 99% of the time they let me go, knowing I would fight it and just waste their time. But one cop blew me away with what he seen and knew. After showing him the paperwork he walked back there, leaned down and said.... well I can see you did your research, but you need to get it to a shop, you are running WAY LEAN. Your exhaust is white. I act dumb (not hard to do just ask my girlfriend) ask to get out to see, and pretend like Im freaking out and that I will get it to the shop ASAP, and even said "smell the exhaust it smells funny" which he agreed. I drove off laughing as C16 is a 117+ octane race fuel. IE has lead, which is the white not black residue in the exhaust, and the smell. I think it smells sweet if that makes sense, race gas has a different smell when being burned. But I ran it exclusively for 4 years in the car, that the exhaust was dirty white....
Now for boostdn's issue. California. Pretty much any warning, or stupid caution you see (with the exception the famous mcdonalds hot coffee lawsuit) is caused by California, and they are so proud of it, they place their state name in it trying to shoehorn themselves into infamous state status. CARB (California Air Research Board), prop65 warning (known to the state of California) that we always see. Heck they even regulate cow farts, ban straws, and limit 2nd amendment rights. But they also try to give out so much free stuff... heck its even free to live there, look at all the people on the street! And before I catch flack, I use to be homeless as a child due to my worthless, POS mother. I pray to god to never see her again. So I have an understanding what it is like to be homeless from my 2 year adventure it in when I was 8-10.
To see this video, I can COMPLETELY see it happening. Taking stickers off wont help, modding the car REALLY wont help, raise your subs/ patreon/ ad hit up your sponsers (which FYI removing the stickers was a slap in the face to them) and just pay the fine(s), as you are going to get many. I would have fought harder on the first charge since the ticket was written, "exhaust modified to increase sound". Which it was not modified at all and you had proof, you pretty much painted a target on your back, and every cop will be looking for you as an easy payday. Whatever you do, just do NOT pay the fine in pennies. Sacramento REALLY does not like that. But great job on the thin blue line flag, that may help here or there with certain officers.
That being said, many coworkers have asked me similar questions about my N, a few of the engineers I work with have dubbed it "Veloster N.... the new VW exhaust scandal" Which depending on how you read it to it.... maybe? But I wish all my fellow California based brothers and sisters out there luck.
I do agree with you California laws suck! But in my experience getting pulled over just depends what part of the city or what city you’re in (if that makes sense) I never get pulled over where I live for window tint (had all my windows tinted On ALL my cars for the past 5 years) 5% on the back and 15% on the front 2 windows, ive past many cops around my area and none have bothered me about it. I’ve also had modified exhaust on all my cars for the past 5 years and haven’t been stopped once for it. Now if you’re doing something sketchy or speeding and you get stopped and the cops is just in a bad mood he’ll give you a ticket for window tint And everything that doesn’t comply with the law (happened to me). Mind you Where I got stopped it was in a nicer neighborhood, the cop just seemed like he was in a bad mood. When he pulled me over in the freeway he asked “having fun racing?” I wasn’t racing but I was speeding I was going about 10mph over the limit. I just said I wasn’t racing I’m just trying to get home haha it was a Sunday night. I had window tints on my then 2013 Subaru sti, had no front plates and window tint. My car had been like that for over a year and I had never been stopped for that. That was my first time ever getting pulled over and getting a ticket/citation so the cop just didn’t like me or my car I guess lol. I guess what I’m trying to get at is that it sucks that California has laws like this because they have the right to pull you over if they want but where I live A lot of cops don’t mind? (I’m assuming because I don’t get pulled over for it) but some do and if they do or are just want to be a**** about it they’ll ticket you for it
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It has a modified exhaust, intake, intercooler and downpipe, springs etc. It's a new car and that's the way CA want's it. He reinstalled the OEM exhaust and left the downpipe and intake, which creates more DB. He has to remove the intake and put the OEM Exhaust back on.
CARB (California Air Research Board) laws require certain DB over that you get a fix-it ticket for your efforts. Emission have to also have comply to CA state laws. That's the way it is, thanks to their state legislature. With the X-Force Exhaust and Downpipe installed it will easily surpass CARB's DB restrictions.
Frankly, hasn't learned his lesson yet. He's going to put everything back on and continue to get fix-it tickets. If his car was stock, it would be a non-issue. The exhaust isn't the problem, it's everything else he installed that's raised the DB level. If he tunes the car, it will be out of emission compliance in CA. They get a mandatory inspection and certification sticker each year by the CHP, which will cause him to get another fix-it ticket. Get enough of them, he'll be walking for a year or so.
This issue was not just due to the compliance tickets. Somewhere he got stopped for; speeding, display of speed, public nuisance, etc. Unless your acting out with the car or bike, generally nothing will happen. It's when you cross the line, you'll get tagged. I believe this is the case here, cause we certainly aren't hearing the whole story as put by the author. When you decide to play you're going to pay one way or the other.
CHP, local PD, nor Sheriff Dept don't just pull you over for compliance, unless they're gross, obvious, violations. This has been going on in CA since I can remember, as far back as 1970. We ran open baffled Kerkers Exhausts on highly modified street bikes. As long as you had the baffle cap in no problem. Cops would come by and stick their night sticks in an open exhaust. You couldn't with the baffle cap. Some would even weld a cross in the open baffle hole.
The other end is street racing. This is another really big problem in Southern California. Accidents and deaths are on the rise because of it. Pedestrians, as well as other drivers not involved directly, are getting injured and killed. It's finally caught up with the ricer-boys/Fast & Furious street racers and they now been profiled. Anyone with a car which appears to be a street racer, is going to get tagged by law enforcement. Us older folks have been warning them about it for years now and it's on their doorstep.
Best thing he can do is; either sell it and move to Arizona, Nevada or New Mexico, before it costs him his marriage and family.
CARB (California Air Research Board) laws require certain DB over that you get a fix-it ticket for your efforts. Emission have to also have comply to CA state laws. That's the way it is, thanks to their state legislature. With the X-Force Exhaust and Downpipe installed it will easily surpass CARB's DB restrictions.
Frankly, hasn't learned his lesson yet. He's going to put everything back on and continue to get fix-it tickets. If his car was stock, it would be a non-issue. The exhaust isn't the problem, it's everything else he installed that's raised the DB level. If he tunes the car, it will be out of emission compliance in CA. They get a mandatory inspection and certification sticker each year by the CHP, which will cause him to get another fix-it ticket. Get enough of them, he'll be walking for a year or so.
This issue was not just due to the compliance tickets. Somewhere he got stopped for; speeding, display of speed, public nuisance, etc. Unless your acting out with the car or bike, generally nothing will happen. It's when you cross the line, you'll get tagged. I believe this is the case here, cause we certainly aren't hearing the whole story as put by the author. When you decide to play you're going to pay one way or the other.
CHP, local PD, nor Sheriff Dept don't just pull you over for compliance, unless they're gross, obvious, violations. This has been going on in CA since I can remember, as far back as 1970. We ran open baffled Kerkers Exhausts on highly modified street bikes. As long as you had the baffle cap in no problem. Cops would come by and stick their night sticks in an open exhaust. You couldn't with the baffle cap. Some would even weld a cross in the open baffle hole.
The other end is street racing. This is another really big problem in Southern California. Accidents and deaths are on the rise because of it. Pedestrians, as well as other drivers not involved directly, are getting injured and killed. It's finally caught up with the ricer-boys/Fast & Furious street racers and they now been profiled. Anyone with a car which appears to be a street racer, is going to get tagged by law enforcement. Us older folks have been warning them about it for years now and it's on their doorstep.
Best thing he can do is; either sell it and move to Arizona, Nevada or New Mexico, before it costs him his marriage and family.
I can only go by what he said in the video and in the comments, but according to him the car was fully stock when the state tested it.
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I appreciate this but you've got to listen to what he says and look at the individual. He contradicts himself more than once.
The "Hyundai inspection," was directed to the exhaust not the rest of the car.
He not going to pass the inspection. He's still going to have to pay the fines and court cost just like the first time. This is what the court is set up for, revenue. With the aid of a lawyer, if he could show them everything was as is from the factory, he might have the leverage to beat the ticket. He' not going to do it by himself. He's also dealing with a referee, not a judge. The referee is always going to side with the local government or State. Referees are appointed by a presiding judge and they also serve as an "at-will" employee of the Superior Court. They know very little about the judicial system or laws. So, they don't waiver from written local or State statutes. Very rarely, does a referee give leniency to an offender especially, if the offender is defending himself without legal representation.
I know we aren't hearing everything as he's said so several times. Most certainly and obviously, he's embarrassed. Not to mention worried about having gotten two tickets for the same violations and the eventual outcome. If he doesn't pass this time, he'll get a larger fine and have to park the car or it will be impounded. CA likes to stack fines. So every time you get a ticket for the same offense, it costs more. Do it enough, they'll impound the car and suspend his license.
From his own admission, he doesn't have this kind of money to throw around. Installs & removals of aftermarket and OEM parts cost the same, no matter which way you go. I can bet his wife is pissed to the max.:surprise: I estimate he's spent well over $5K with the mods and then having them removed, not to mention the time spent.
The OEM intake tube and airbox is designed with a specific chamber to reduce intake noise, which is measured along with the exhaust note. He'll never pass the inspection, until the car is put back in complete stock OEM trim. It was certified to be sold in CA, by CARB from Hyundai. So there's far more than meets the eye here.
If you're going down this route in a State which is this tight on emission regulations, it's best to leave it alone and buy a much older car to modify that's not bound by CARB regulations. It's a new car and like I said, "that's the way CA wants it, in stock trim as it was sold by Hyundai."
It's his problem, he has to deal with the aftermath. The citizens of CA voted such laws into effect and existence. He's got no one to blame except himself. I lived in CA during the hotrod years and it hasn't changed. In fact, it's gotten worse with state legislation prohibiting such modifications. However, something else happened prior to the process of being issued the citations and he isn't saying, nor will he.
I was a law enforcement officer. He didn't get pulled over for just motor vehicle compliance issues in and by themselves. It might have been any number of issues from; suspended license, expired tags temp.permanent, expired inspection sticker, moving violations, the smell of marijuana (legal in CA), driving erratically, speed, display of speed, not utilizing a turn signal, aggressive driving, to dark of tint, etc.
Just my two cents and personal perspective, as there's always more than meets the eye. There's always 3 sides to every story; his, there's and the actual truth of both.
C'est la vie!
The "Hyundai inspection," was directed to the exhaust not the rest of the car.
He not going to pass the inspection. He's still going to have to pay the fines and court cost just like the first time. This is what the court is set up for, revenue. With the aid of a lawyer, if he could show them everything was as is from the factory, he might have the leverage to beat the ticket. He' not going to do it by himself. He's also dealing with a referee, not a judge. The referee is always going to side with the local government or State. Referees are appointed by a presiding judge and they also serve as an "at-will" employee of the Superior Court. They know very little about the judicial system or laws. So, they don't waiver from written local or State statutes. Very rarely, does a referee give leniency to an offender especially, if the offender is defending himself without legal representation.
I know we aren't hearing everything as he's said so several times. Most certainly and obviously, he's embarrassed. Not to mention worried about having gotten two tickets for the same violations and the eventual outcome. If he doesn't pass this time, he'll get a larger fine and have to park the car or it will be impounded. CA likes to stack fines. So every time you get a ticket for the same offense, it costs more. Do it enough, they'll impound the car and suspend his license.
From his own admission, he doesn't have this kind of money to throw around. Installs & removals of aftermarket and OEM parts cost the same, no matter which way you go. I can bet his wife is pissed to the max.:surprise: I estimate he's spent well over $5K with the mods and then having them removed, not to mention the time spent.
The OEM intake tube and airbox is designed with a specific chamber to reduce intake noise, which is measured along with the exhaust note. He'll never pass the inspection, until the car is put back in complete stock OEM trim. It was certified to be sold in CA, by CARB from Hyundai. So there's far more than meets the eye here.
If you're going down this route in a State which is this tight on emission regulations, it's best to leave it alone and buy a much older car to modify that's not bound by CARB regulations. It's a new car and like I said, "that's the way CA wants it, in stock trim as it was sold by Hyundai."
It's his problem, he has to deal with the aftermath. The citizens of CA voted such laws into effect and existence. He's got no one to blame except himself. I lived in CA during the hotrod years and it hasn't changed. In fact, it's gotten worse with state legislation prohibiting such modifications. However, something else happened prior to the process of being issued the citations and he isn't saying, nor will he.
I was a law enforcement officer. He didn't get pulled over for just motor vehicle compliance issues in and by themselves. It might have been any number of issues from; suspended license, expired tags temp.permanent, expired inspection sticker, moving violations, the smell of marijuana (legal in CA), driving erratically, speed, display of speed, not utilizing a turn signal, aggressive driving, to dark of tint, etc.
Just my two cents and personal perspective, as there's always more than meets the eye. There's always 3 sides to every story; his, there's and the actual truth of both.
C'est la vie!
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So this guy starts a YouTube channel for his modified car. Then he gets a ticket for his modified exhaust. Then he claims to go back to stock. No one else seems to have the problem with thier car- just him. His "stock" car.
There's lots of ways to fool the dealership into thinking a car is stock. They don't pull off parts to check if anything is removed or gutted or de-catted or if the ECU is tuned. Tuning can make a car sound different. They look at the exhaust only.
Then he gets another ticket after he modified his car again with an aftermarket exhaust. But it's CA that hates him. Hyundai made a car that can't be sold in one of the world's biggest markets. Obviously Hyundai never thought of that.
Does this all NOT add up for anyone else? Is it just me who doesn't buy into this guy's bullshit?
There's lots of ways to fool the dealership into thinking a car is stock. They don't pull off parts to check if anything is removed or gutted or de-catted or if the ECU is tuned. Tuning can make a car sound different. They look at the exhaust only.
Then he gets another ticket after he modified his car again with an aftermarket exhaust. But it's CA that hates him. Hyundai made a car that can't be sold in one of the world's biggest markets. Obviously Hyundai never thought of that.
Does this all NOT add up for anyone else? Is it just me who doesn't buy into this guy's bullshit?
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His biggest problem isn't the exhaust but him getting popped with non CARB approved aftermarket pieces, the intake etc. He's definitely paying a fine and if he doesn't learn he'll keep going until they crush that car. I seen mobile random smog checks in So Cal where they pull cars to the side and they have a mobile dyno/smog machine, an Air Resources Board rep, and a trained/savvy Highway Patrol officer. If the car tests as a gross smog emitter or has modified emission related parts without CARB approval you get to walk home, hopefully pay impound fees and fines and return your car to stock for reinspection. I never had to go through it but my son did and lucky his car runs clean with no modified parts so he just ended up with a free smog inspection. Personally any non-CARB approved aftermarket parts would have to make 100 hp more than the number he stated in the video before I'd take that risk.
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The Frank Truth of the Matter!
Note; please see the subtle, additions, variations and exclamations in the above quote from; @guybo.
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Sometimes, truthful frankness has it merits!!:grin: Maybe, the wife needs to take his keys and tell him to catch the bus?:wink:So this guy starts a YouTube channel for his modified car. Then he gets a ticket for his modified exhaust. Then he claims to go back to stock. No one else seems to have the problem with their car- just him. His "stock" car. (precisely and we have a few Californians here as well!:surprise
There's lots of ways to fool the dealership into thinking a car is stock. (Ditto) They don't pull off parts to check if anything is removed or gutted or de-catted or if the ECU is tuned. (Ditto) Tuning can make a car sound different. They look at the exhaust only. (Ditto, especially after you have tell the dealership you got a ticket for the OEM "choke" exhaust! and want them to verify it only.:grin:
Then he gets (yet) another ticket (ah, for the same offense no less.:winkafter he modified his car again with an aftermarket exhaust. But it's CA that hates him. (Of course, this is the gospel truth.). Hyundai made a car that can't be sold in one of the world's biggest markets. Obviously Hyundai never thought of that.
Does this all NOT add up for anyone else? Is it just me who doesn't buy into this guy's bullshit? (Ditto again and of course it DOESN'T.)
Note; please see the subtle, additions, variations and exclamations in the above quote from; @guybo.
Been there done that as well.
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I'm from NorCal and this happened to me a month after I bought my car. I didn't get state reffed or anything but yeah here's my story.
*note my car was stock at the time this happened*
I was leaving a car meet and was pulling out into the street when a cop pulled up behind me. I didn't do any pulls, I didn't make her pop, I didn't do anything stupid. As I was switching lanes to turn he turn on his lights and pulled me over. I asked him why did I get pulled over and he told me "the main reason was for having a modified exhaust", I also didn't have a front plate. I then told him my exhaust is completely stock and if there was any way I can prove to him it is. He then told me he'll look up a video about VNs and if everything matches he wouldn't cite me for it. So he went back to his cruiser and was there for about 10 minutes. Once he came back he let me go with the exhaust, but still cited me for the front plate. I genuinely hate CAs laws on cars and I wish I can move outta here lol
*note my car was stock at the time this happened*
I was leaving a car meet and was pulling out into the street when a cop pulled up behind me. I didn't do any pulls, I didn't make her pop, I didn't do anything stupid. As I was switching lanes to turn he turn on his lights and pulled me over. I asked him why did I get pulled over and he told me "the main reason was for having a modified exhaust", I also didn't have a front plate. I then told him my exhaust is completely stock and if there was any way I can prove to him it is. He then told me he'll look up a video about VNs and if everything matches he wouldn't cite me for it. So he went back to his cruiser and was there for about 10 minutes. Once he came back he let me go with the exhaust, but still cited me for the front plate. I genuinely hate CAs laws on cars and I wish I can move outta here lol
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