[conevadr]

I thought I would start a thread for street category setup as we figure out what works with these cars. More questions than answers at this point - will update over time.


Wheels/tires
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Stock offset is +55, so we can use +48, +50, or +55. At stock wheel widths, clearance shouldn't be an issue. For diameter, 18's will be cheaper, lighter and should be available in designs that clear the calipers. Max speed in 2nd gear at stock diameter is 60mph, so there could be courses where a shorter wheel/tire would cause additional shifting.

There are options for tire brand with the Bridgestone RE71 being a standard and popular choice. If has a strong sidewall which is good for the FWD platform. The BFG Rival is another popular choice. It is said to be a little more forgiving and may be more heat tolerant (two drivers).

Another choice is to use a square or reverse stagger setup. Rotation and wear are considerations - buy two or four at a time? I ran a reverse stagger setup on my GTI, and the rear tires lasted more than twice as long as the fronts (very limited front camber and a hack driver). Another reason I like the stagger setup is temperature balance. If the fronts come up to temp too much faster than the rears, balance may suffer.

Tire width and sidewall height are other possible variables. Wider is usually better, depending on the tire, but too wide can have detrimental side effects and be difficult to mount. If I was buying tires today, I would probably go with RE71 sized either...
Front 255/35-18, Rear 225/40-18 or
Front 255/40-18, Rear 225/45-18
depending on desired max speed (about +- 2% from stock)

Tire pressures...

Bars
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(more detail needed)
VN uses a smaller front bar than regular Vs. What rear bars are available, and how much bigger (adjustable)? Any advantage to using larger front bar? Depending on static camber and dynamic camber gain, a bigger front bar may be an option. Both tire stagger and bar choices mostly impact front/rear balance. What does the VN need?

Alignment
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Are camber bolts in the FSM, and what range is available? What camber delta to use front/rear? Is caster adjustable? Standard zero toe all around?

Shocks
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- Electronic programming legal and available?
- thoughts on different modes for different course smoothness, and weather.

 

[eg_6]

Hi George. Good to see another sandbox member on here (we've been messaging about wheels.)


I'm somewhat worried about gearing on this car and for me I think I'm going to run 245/40-18's for now. Both RE71 and Rival S 1.5 available in this size. Not sure which I will pick at this time. I was also looking at the 265/35-18 which is closer to the OEM diameter but that might be pushing it on an 8" wheel.

Too bad they didn't put something closer to a +50 offset on this car. I would open up a lot more options for wheel choice in the street class. I'm not real fond of the style options in the allowable offset range but that's personal opinion.


Not sure about the bar. If in N mode it rotates like the Fiesta but with more body control it may not need much.


Camber bolts would be nice. Hopefully they thought of us. Going to run it as is and see how it behaves, then check and adjust toe as needed.


Going to be a tough run in DS though...

 

[eg_6]

Oh yeah, anyone know why the base N runs 25" diameter tires and the N PP runs 25.5"? Is there some electronic calibration going on that differs between the two so the speedometer remains accurate?

 

[conevadr]

Agreed on the 265/35s being a bit of a stretch on an 8 inch rim, although it should be possible.

Good catch on the slight tire diameter difference between the PP and non-PPs. It is only a few millimeters difference, but it would be interesting to know if they adjusted the springs between the two to keep the ride height the same.

On the sway bar, it may not be a slam dunk which one to upgrade, front or rear. Sometimes a FWD strut car does better with a front bar, especially if it is camber limited under roll. Supporting the case for the front bar is that the LSD should deal with any traction concerns. On an open differential FWD car the bigger rear bar can help with forward traction. The VN gets a smaller front bar than the regular V. There is a limit to how much a rear bar can work depending on droop travel. Once the inside rear is off the ground, it has done all it can. There are short videos on the Hyundai N page where this is shown, although part of it is the crown of the road.

24 sec in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=24&v=0Dqy0Xg8jnE

12 sec in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=24&v=0Dqy0Xg8jnE

That doesn't mean that a rear bar won't be a useful upgrade. Every FWD or AWD car that I've owned for autox unloaded and lifted the inside rear frequently, except the GTI. The Fiesta ST would rotate nicely on three wheels. The rear bar may also be adjustable which can be useful.

For me, if we get decent camber, I'll probably start with the rear bar assuming that the overall balance is reasonable. The rear bar is generally much easier to swap.

 

[-=max=-]

According to articles and interviews, the car is supposed to come with camber bolts, in a trunk kit I believe, that allow up to 3* camber in front. And paperwork properly filled out to allow them in Street classing.

 

[GerardF1]

Do anyone know for sure that it is a DS car on the SCCA list for Autocross? I have checked their website and have not seen a listing for the "N"

 

[conevadr]

January FasTrack has the Veloster classing - DS for the N

https://www.scca.com/downloads/43483-19-fastrack-january/download

 

[RedVN]

According to articles and interviews, the car is supposed to come with camber bolts, in a trunk kit I believe, that allow up to 3* camber in front. And paperwork properly filled out to allow them in Street classing.

No they don't.

For me, if we get decent camber, I'll probably start with the rear bar assuming that the overall balance is reasonable. The rear bar is generally much easier to swap.

There's only one rear sway bar available for the N at this time and it's adjustable. Maybe, you'd better start consider purchasing an N first, as everything up to this point, is moot. Bench racing can be fun but non-productive as well, considering it's all speculation.

Just out of curiosity, when are any of you actually going to pay to play? Otherwise, when are you actually going to purchase one? You know there are only 200 total coming into the states!

Blessings and Peace

 

[GerardF1]

January FasTrack has the Veloster classing - DS for the N

https://www.scca.com/downloads/43483-19-fastrack-january/download

Thanks

 

[RedVN]

Keep in mind, you track the car for any reason your warranty is nixed out the door. All you have to do is refer to the warranty manual and it spells it out quite clearly.

Blessing and Peace

 

[Piro Fyre]

Does anyone have the OEM part number for those camber/repair bolts? I know an engineer talked with GRM about it but I'm having a hard time finding part numbers for it. Even the parts guy at the dealership couldn't find me the part number.

As for auto-x, I'd say just keep it stock for now. I know there's a guy in Houston, TX auto-xing this car stock with just 245/40/18 71Rs and his last SCCA event, he placed 10th PAX out of 137. I think he kept it in N mode too so traction wasn't fully off. For being a completely stock car with just tires, it moves pretty good. I know the 10th gen Civic Si guys in GS run the rears all the way up to 50 psi and fronts as low as 27 psi while running 255 on 8" wide wheels. Just IMO, 255/40/18 squared and messing with just the PSI is probably all this car needs.

 

[RedVN]

There aren't any and if you don't own one it's a moot point. They don't exist for the Veloster N

 

[RedVN]

These are the only ones available for the 2019 Veloster Turbo or Ultimate. They are not for the Veloster N

 

[wasjrx51]

If you can believe the Hyundai website, there already are more than 200 available just counting 250 mile areas of LA, Chicago, and New York. And that is what is available right now. I know at least 3 have been sold in the Chicago area that are not counted because the dealer I bought mine from has none. That is counting both "standard" and "performance" models.

 

[RedVN]

A bit off topic, but this thread is dead anyway. None of these individuals are buying or have intentions to buy in actuality. Just a bunch of bench racers, dreaming.:wink:

No, I can't believe it. Hyundai has a propensity for lying. Read the latest on the engine-gate debacle they were caught in just recently.

The N w/PP is not available in these numbers. There are approximately 345 total, listed for sale, of both standard and w/PP. Less than half listed are w/PP. There is no way, there has been 200+ Veloster N's w/PP have been sold. Some of these greedy dealers, are attempting to sell them at $37K+ LMAO. Just as an example;

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/new/s...ortType=PRICE&sortDirection=ASC#resultsPage=1

https://carbuzz.com/news/hyundai-assures-us-the-veloster-n-won-t-be-limited-production

I have the first sold; N/PP in this state. There is only one more available in the Blue for the whole allotment. It's listed online @ $29,885 but it's marked up with a Hyundai Dealers Fair Market Value Price of over $32K

[quote An inside source told us the Veloster N would be limited to just 1,000 units[/QUOTE] This is world wide, not just in the US. This also includes both the standard and w/PP versions.

$29,000 for the N Performance Package, we knew Hyundai was going to have a hit on its hands. There was just one issue we feared - greedy dealership markups.

jcr557 (Banned) The Hyundai car salesman from PA, who was illegally utilizing this website to sell Veloster N's, was lying his arse off. The dealership sold the Veloster N for MSRP alright, but didn't tell you the final delivery price of $32K+ w/TTL and that wasn't including shipping to your location. Typical car salesman tactics. "Tell you what you want to hear, to get you interested, then lower the boom."

It's all out in the open to see. Most dealers are just marking up the Veloster N, either standard or w/PP. Wait till the Performance Package models disappear. You'll see the standards going for over $30K+ easily.

Blessings and Peace

 

[conevadr]

A bit off topic, but this thread is dead anyway. None of these individuals are buying or have intentions to buy in actuality. Just a bunch of bench racers, dreaming.:wink:

Autox season has started in the southern states as noted above. Here's a link to that event results.

Pax Time Results

We've still dealing with snow up here in western NY. Our first autox event isn't until mid-April. I'll have more info to share later.

Let's keep this thread focused on autox street class info please.

 

[RedVN]

Please, let's keep it focused on the Veloster N, it's capabilities and development for such events.

Blessings and Peace

 

[Piro Fyre]

A bit off topic, but this thread is dead anyway. None of these individuals are buying or have intentions to buy in actuality. Just a bunch of bench racers, dreaming.:wink:

I've had red N with PP since Feb 1st... In fact, I auto-x'd and tracked a 13 Civic Si all spring, summer and first half of fall of 2018 and would like to continue it in 2019 with the N. But I guess asking for camber bolts means I don't own an N and that I'm a "dreamer" to you. I know you're banned but I figured I'd leave you a message.

Anyways, there is another person down south with an N but he's on 255/35/18 71Rs. Both guys went to the Mineral Wells Champ Tour one of the guys has done pretty good with his car. Like .849 behind last year's D street champ in the Type-R. This car is shaping up to be a really good D street contender. At least for the PP.
https://www.scca.com/events/1992952-2019-tire-rack-texas-champ-tour

Other than that, first time out with the car on stock Pzeros, it's a very oversteery car. I don't know if it was because temps were still bellow 40F those 2 days or what but the rear end would whip out on the slaloms and tight corners. I would've also had some input on 255/40/18 71Rs too but the last event that was supposed to be this past Sunday, was cancelled due to snow. Yeah, snowing in April...

 

[conevadr]

The first event in western NY was last weekend, but I didn't go, 40 degrees and raining. Our next event is at the end of the month.

I also went with the 255-40/18 71Rs, at least for the start of the season. I might try a staggered setup later in the year. I installed the SXTH bar a couple of weeks ago. It is pretty beefy and I didn't want to go with the stagger setup until I'm sure that the balance needs it.

I can't wait to get the season started!

 

[GerardF1]

Purchased Nexen 4G 235/35 19 for the autocross season here that starts mid May... See how they do