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I'm looking to review the FSM and understand the car a little better. I see some blurbs here and there about internals changes for the Theta II 2.0t GDI-T - whatevertheywanttocallit. I'd like to learn more about the details on what is changed or if this is just a carry over from the other platforms. I'd like to learn more about this e-LSD and the electronically baffled exhaust too. I'm new to Hyundai, but I've been around plenty of "performance" cars and am trying to make a decision vs some of the competitors. The more I learn about this platform makes me wonder why they didnt bring the i30 to our shores. The USA seems to always get leftovers from the rest of the world, watered down, and marketed like something they're not.

Are there other makers out there that have reflash counters to prevent mods and warranty denial? Do the piggybacks really resolve that issue because intercepting a signal is not exactly like rewriting the rules. Maybe they work differently than I assume. Are they _really_ going to be honoring a drivetrain for 100k thats going to probably be abused AF. I mean, if its covered, then why not drive the ...umm...."PP" out of it? Does that warranty cover more than the trans/engine (like doe sit extend to the e-lsd too?)

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For the warranty. Look here: https://www.velostern.com/forum/10-engine-technical-discussion/387-track-usage-modification.html#post3053

It has great info and comes from Hyundai themselves.

With the Performance Package VN the e-lsd makes the car have absolutely no torque steer. And it has torque vectoring axles too. I got a 6 year 100,000 mile warranty on the whole car. And that means everything... I figured this is the first year for this type of car and I just wanted a little extra protection. The weak link I see with this car is probably going to be the clutch since they under rate the torque of these cars. People are putting down 290 ft lbs. in stock form. They do make 2 replacement full clutch kits for the N so far one is for street performance cars with mods and one is a track use. I will opt for the street performance one with better bushings on the torque bar when the time comes.

If you are deciding on this or a Civic type r, the Veloster has better street manners for everyday driving plus its at least 6 to 8 grand cheaper. And with the flick of the right thumb you have a certified track car. No joke... Good luck with whatever you decide.

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I read up on some of the warranty and found some of the designer's posts about features on this site. They seem to appear to be light mod friendly, but we'll see. I'm no entirely sure how the eLSD works, though I'm guessing its like a viscous system with a pressure adjustment component. Hopefully that part lasts, but if its warrantied, then thats awesome. Does anyone know who makes the clutch? Is it Exedy/Daikin like a lot of other Asian cars?

290lbs stock is pretty good for a 2.0L motor and I do like it has a relatively flat curve. I was pitting this against the CTR, but also the STi since I've had a heavily modded WRX bugeye wagon in the past and miss its utility and 275whp/wtq. Been driving a 2.7 Taco for the last several years and now want to add a fun car I can DD and use the truck when I need it. I've also owned the S2k and MSM, but never had a Hyundai....well we had an Accent once and it was a funny pos that used to eat clutch cables if you were too hard on it. Even had a JB Weld exhaust manifold patch, but thats a different story lol.

While its still expensive as **** imho, comparing it to everything else, its the most attractive on paper and styling. The CTR will be a high theft magnet aside from its child-like looks (I'm in that 40+ demographic) and the STi can be expensive to operate. The GolfR is noice, but its a VW. That plastic oil pan just bothers me and I dont want to just lease the vehicle. I used to buy cars and modify them to "make" what I want, but this time I'm looking to enjoy it out of the box. I really like the utility and styling of the Veloster (I call it the Velobster), and the 3doorsdown design grows on me a bit. I like quirky looking vehicles and would have rocked a Baja if I could get one that isnt driven into the ground.

Thanks for the input.

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I personally think you would love this car. Make sure you get the PP on it though if you are going to bite the bullet. It gives the driver more control over much or the car. You can basically tune it through the infotainment center in the N custom mode. You will absolutely love the handling of the car. I still can't believe it's a Hyundai... The last two cars I have owned were a 2005 Grand Prix GXP which had a 5.3L V-8 in it. I modified the $hit out of it and when I needed a 3rd transmission I traded it in on a 2014 Ford Fusion with a 2.0L turbo motor. I modified the $hit out of that too and then the transmission started to take a dive on it so I did some research and ended up with the VN PP. Out of all 3 cars I'd take the Hyundai every day hands down! I am glad it's a stick too because I am tired of the automatics, they seem not to last and I NEVER beat the crap out of my car. Ford is actually going through a 4 billion dollar lawsuit because of the lies about their transmissions and putting the blame on all the customers. Research the Ford Focus... Pretty sad if you ask me. BTW, I am in my very late 40's. : )

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While its still expensive as **** imho, comparing it to everything else, its the most attractive on paper and styling.
Man, if you think $29K is expensive, then this isn't the car for you. 10/100K powertrain warranty or you can opt for the 10/100K bumper to bumper warranty. Covers everything except the bumper.
 

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290lbs stock is pretty good for a 2.0L motor and I do like it has a relatively flat curve. I was pitting this against the CTR, but also the STi since I've had a heavily modded WRX bugeye wagon in the past and miss its utility and 275whp/wtq. Been driving a 2.7 Taco for the last several years and now want to add a fun car I can DD and use the truck when I need it. I've also owned the S2k and MSM, but never had a Hyundai....well we had an Accent once and it was a funny pos that used to eat clutch cables if you were too hard on it. Even had a JB Weld exhaust manifold patch, but thats a different story lol.
I understood some of that. No idea what a taco is or a DD is or MSM. Enlighten me?

Feel free to use entire words in this forum! Some of us are old!

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LOL.

Taco=Tacoma
DD=Daily Driver
MSM=Mazdaspeed Miata


Sorry if this is too long but....
I'm 42, so I can remember life before cell phones and the Internet. I'm surprised you wouldn't think $29k is expensive when you consider the cost to own being that there are taxes, insurance premiums, financing and then keeping up with parts for an item that depreciates in value the second you drive it off the lot. I'm sure those soft tires dont last and they're $1000/set.

If you finance the full amount with no up front cash considering a 3% rate, 4.25% tax, and 60mo you're talking about $550/mo for the car payment (not including the insurance premium) for a Hyundai. For 5 years. Think about that. It will cost you 2000-3000 to finance the loan. I'm sure if somebody has $30k to slap down on a car, they're not looking at this one. I guess for some its a drop in the bucket.

Its nice they're using other items in the configuration that will be affordable since they're carryovers (like the brakes). Still though, its relative to what else is available in the grand equation of ownership and you have to consider the toy factor - which is what you're ultimately paying for. I dont tend to buy new vehicles. The last and only truly new vehicle was my Sentra SpecV, but that was 15 years ago. I paid $17k for my 03 WRX wagon with 30k miles on the clock, but these days I'd rather have the full warranty because its hard to know what you're buying used with the modern cars. For instance, I can get a low mileage STi for $20k, but that will carry no warranty and with their hypereutectic pistons its a gamble. The CTR is going to have a markup (which should be illegal) and looks like a theft magnet plus its only a 3/36k/60k warranty. There's the Mazdaspeed3, but I think its broing The Golf R is the most expensive and, well, its a VW and has a LOT of electronic systems that will break on top of that GDI issue they've got with buildup. Then there are the Ford cars, but being a discontinued platform means there will be no support...and Ford.

There are plenty of older cars that have major fun factor, but things like the s2k are getting long in the tooth. Cars eventually just become money pits. The average vehicle costs $31k now, and if you finance that, it becomes even more. I'm not finance major, but I (and the wife) have owned our vehicles for the last 2 years and that REALLY changes how you look at cars. I have been very debt responsible and I dont like extending myself beyond my means. ****, I dont even own a house right now (and have had 2) because they can be as much of a burden as anything these days. I'm not rich but I grew up in poverty so I can be a little cheap on certain things. I keep my phones for 2+ years and I own them. I'm going to be buying a house next year so until then, I'm not even buying a car. I'm just doing a lot of research. Its why I'm even looking at this car. It seems like a unicorn.

I'm not going to track the car, and I probably wont do much modification since the whole package looks pretty optimal for what most people would do. Its an econobox in the grand scheme of things. I still think I can appreciate the PP, because I like to drive. I like to look at the total package and what my future self may think about ownership. I'm still pretty sold on this car and like what I see. I'm pretty sure I'll be buying one within a year.
 

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Since its said to share similarities to the 4B11T, lets hope it doesnt have a CEL code for timing chain stretch.


Looking at this video on its cousin the i30n, you can see that the eLSD is a added unit that looks external to the regular transaxle case. Interesting IMHO. 2:11

I'm guessing this is restricting torque to the driver's side axle shaft to activate bias for the open lsd.
 

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Is the intercooler physically part of the radiator on this car? Thats going to be uber weird and expensive to replace when you want to upgrade. The diagrams I found on the Genesis version of this motor show a SMIC, but this looks like it has a FMIC and according to the video above, the IC and Rad are one unit. Why would they want to allow one to heat soak the other?
 

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No, you're speculating far too much. You need to do some personal research as most of this information is already available on the Internet.
 

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So, where should I be looking? Is this not a primary forum for the platform? This forum is pretty much dead imho for the hype this car seems to get. Its why I was looking for the FSM.
 

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Have fun seeking out the answers to your questions. I know I have. I'm still reading, seeking and learning thru ownership & use. It's an ongoing process:wink: They're available for your edification, if you're truly interested.:grin:
 

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Have fun seeking out the answers to your questions. I know I have. I'm still reading, seeking and learning thru ownership & use. It's an ongoing process:wink: They're available for your edification, if you're truly interested.:grin:
Are you high or something?
 

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No, I don't do illicit drugs, there is no need. High on something, you wouldn't understand. However considering your comments, I begin to wonder.:wink::grin:

Get to looking (seeking) and researching, you might start understanding.:wink:

Is it really so wonderful?
Simply depends upon what you use it for.:smile:
 

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Have fun seeking out the answers to your questions. I know I have. I'm still reading, seeking and learning thru ownership & use. It's an ongoing process:wink: They're available for your edification, if you're truly interested.:grin:
Are you high or something?
If he's not going to be helpful, he could at least share his drugs.
 

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I'll never understand knowledge hoarding and its something I will always work to prevent. I like to share ideas and ask questions the community in a collaborative manner so that I can teach others AND learn from them. I guess some people are just competitive in nature.

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And please, do share the drugs and live a little outside the rules. You might like it.
 
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